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Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by beenBoutIT on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:38PM (#17912569)
Any idea how life insurance companies are dealing with Tesla owners and their autopilot induced fatalities? The number of autopilot -related deaths and crashes seems high considering how few Teslas are on the road.
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by beat on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @05:26PM (#17912952)
You're committing a couple of different fallacies there, which let sensationalist media (itself full of fallacies) influence your thinking.

First, Teslas aren't exactly rare. Upthread, someone said 200,000 have been sold (have not fact-checked, but it seems plausible). Second, autopilot related fatalities are covered breathlessly in the media, ignoring all of the other, far more common sources of fatalities, such as drunk driving. And finally, there is no media coverage of the number of accidents prevented by autopilot, which I suspect is pretty high.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by beenBoutIT on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @09:30PM (#17914424)
Tesla has maybe sold 200,000 cars world-wide over the course of 15 years, by its own estimate. GM sold close to 4 times that many vehicles in the US alone in Q2 of 2018. Teslas are rare.

https://www.gm.com/investors/sales/us-sales-production.html

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by beat on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @09:34AM (#17917761)
Tesla Model S outsells the BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis in its class. Those aren't considered rare and exotic.
Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by Diederich on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @12:44AM (#17915083)
300,000 as of February: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.

Current production rate is 107,000/year, more than 1% of GMs 10million/year.

However, your point stands: Teslas are, at this point, relatively rare.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by Spooky23 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @08:26PM (#17914091)
Life insurance doesn’t care, the car insurance companies care in situations where you need to figure out who is at fault.

The answer probably depends on state law and other factors. With autopilot the driver is nominally in control — which is why Tesla aggressively does the PR dance to blame the driver. My guess is that due to the newness and arbritration clauses, they have gotten lucky.

States can change that though — for awhile you couldn’t lease a car in New York because the law let someone injured in an accident due the leasing company!

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by erikpukinskis on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @04:58PM (#17912744)
> The number of autopilot -related deaths and crashes seems high considering how few Teslas are on the road.

That’s just an artifact of increased media coverage.

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by beenBoutIT on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @09:18PM (#17914355)
Tesla has only sold roughly 200k Teslas* as of July.

*https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/07/tesla-sold-200000-cars-...

Re:Mercedes Readies First Tesla Rival in $12B Attack by Diederich on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @12:45AM (#17915087)
200k US sales as of July, that's correct. They're current production rate is about 107k/year, slightly more than 1% of General Motors 10M/year.