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Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by leephillips on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:27PM (#17910911)
Wikipedia is contributing to the slow death of what could have been, and almost was, a web of independent pages maintained by individuals and groups. I have had a recurring experience of skimming a Wikipedia article, only to get the feeling that the text is familiar - then tracking it down to the book or article that it was lifted from, without attribution. If a "vibrant free web" means routine copyright theft committed by a homogenizing, centralized collective established as some kind of anonymous authority, I can do without it.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by mlinksva on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:33PM (#17910981)
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by leephillips on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:38PM (#17911041)
Nearly 2000 words on how I can police their website for them? No, thanks. If they took this problem seriously they would build a system to catch copy-paste before it went live on their site.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by afandian on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:15PM (#17911442)
There is no 'them'. The Wikipedia community comprises everyone who wants to participate. WMF is small in comparison.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by raverbashing on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:45PM (#17911692)
Sure, the magical internet gnomes can know what every book in the world contains and detect copy paste like that.

I would expect to read such an uninformed comment on Fox News comment section.

Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by fasafsafsf on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:47PM (#17911125)
I think they already have such systems via bots, but they don't block or undo things automatically because I assume it's hard to know programmatically the licence of things that are posted on the Internet.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by mike22223333 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:49PM (#17911146)
It it is hard, that they should not run wikipedia.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by balp on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @11:49PM (#17914904)
Kinda hard like the lawers are still after years trying to figure out the issue between Oracle and Google, Apple and Samsung... It's a really hard legal issue, expecting it to be easy for a computer to solve. It's naive.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by fasafsafsf on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:54PM (#17911212)
That is crazy. Even systems like ContentID are full of flaws.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by mike22223333 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:45PM (#17911107)
Wikipedia should verify the copyright before allowing changes. It should not be the publishers responsibility to enforce the copyright. Wikipedia should be responsible because they decided they wanted to allow anyone to edit. They should hire moderators, and if they cannot moderate, they should not run a platform of theft.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by ben_w on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:52PM (#17911190)
> It should not be the publishers responsibility to enforce the copyright.

Why not?

Copyright is an unnatural right created in the name of encouraging creative output; if the person who owns the rights to control copying a work don’t enforce it, why should the rest of us do it for them?

Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by fnord123 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:58PM (#17912278)
Don't you have a bloom filter for all content ever created with which you can compare the content?
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by vkou on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @01:58PM (#17911271)
How can I verify that your post is not a violation of copyright? Did you crib it from somewhere?

Maybe we should shift the burden of proof on you? Can you prove that you are not violating copyright with your post? If you can't do it, how on earth can Wikipedia do it?

In the Soviet Union, this was called "Prove that you are not a camel."

Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by jotm on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:41PM (#17911654)
People who think like this should really chill the fuck out. Ownership of thoughts and ideas is pathetic at best, if you don't want it shared, keep it to yourself.

But nooo, "I want everyone to hear me and I want them to know it was me who said it. Me me me. I'm important, I want to feel like it". Get the fuck over it.

And if you want to make money off of it, there are plenty of much better ways besides braindead ads. GDPR seems to pander a bit too much to carebears.

Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by blackbrokkoli on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @05:51PM (#17913131)
You realise GDPR is basically the right of keeping things you don't want to be shared to yourself?

And sources are not for the carebears. I mean, too, but they wouldn't be enforced if that would be the only point. It is so that you and I can know where to go to verify or falsify a claim. What would be your alternative proposal?

Ok, let's just give every piece of published source a numeric code or something so we can sort and search and refer too it.

Ok, nobody cares. Let's use the name of the author instead so he has interest that what he says is true and get's used truthfully. Boom, there you have the idea of copyright (in an idealised form)

Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by ben_w on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @03:16AM (#17915701)
In the UK, what you’re describing — The right to be identified as the creator of work — would be called a “moral right” rather than a “copyright”.

I literally only know this because my first job contract, my university industrial year, signed that right away for the work I did there.

Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by hnbroseph on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @02:01PM (#17911296)
surely then, all forums should "verify the copyright" of posts before they are accepted. all email providers should screen all the mails users send.
Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by ghaff on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @05:47PM (#17913107)
There's actually an, at least arguable, point in your first sentence before you get to the copyright infringement. And there's a whole round-robin of content (or just "facts") being lifted from Wikipedia to put on other sites and from other sites to be put on Wikipedia that's often hard to sort out.

There is a broader point that centralization of content being found by search engines isn't ideal--even if Wikipedia were more pristine than it is a lot of the time.

Re:Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibran... by leephillips on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:03PM (#17913627)
You're right twice. But when I see things on Wikipedia lifted from textbooks published before there was Wikipedia it's not hard to sort out.

As to your second point, I think the combined effect of Wikipedia and Google's popularity-based search ranking is hurting the web. It's not a conspiracy, just a result of the system.