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Re:Peak Valley? by rhizome on Sunday September 02, 2018 @05:40PM (#17898826)
but it's now clear to me that the state and local governments are too incompetent to fix this problem.

Don't forget NIMBY residents. Just down the street from me is a building that used to be a church. The church wanted to start providing services and shelter for homeless LGBTQ teens. The neighbors threw a shitfit, the shelter never happened, the church closed and moved, and now the building is a dentist's office.

Re:Peak Valley? by philsnow on Sunday September 02, 2018 @06:43PM (#17899096)
NIMBYism is a real problem in the bay area, but it doesn't sound like this one case was caused by NIMBYism. The people who would want to nix such a shelter would probably want it nixed whether it was in their proverbial "backyard" or not.
Re:Peak Valley? by rhizome on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:52PM (#17912242)
>but it doesn't sound like this one case was caused by NIMBYism

That's fine, I'm not interested in #notalldevelopment reasoning because my point was not to ascribe all of the behavior to NIMBYs. I was only countering the idea that "politicians, amirite?" is the problem.

Re:Peak Valley? by arthur_pryor on Sunday September 02, 2018 @08:48PM (#17899497)
> The people who would want to nix such a shelter would probably want it nixed whether it was in their proverbial "backyard" or not

i guess i don't have any more hard evidence at hand than what you present here, but my gut feeling is totally the opposite on this. i think there are a lot of people in SF (in the SF bay area in general or the city in particular) who would get behind this sort of program in principle, but who would be scared to be close to the implementation of such a program.

i think this particular flavor of NIMBYism (overblown fears about e.g. safety and/or property values) is more prevalent in the burbs, and especially the more affluent suburbs, but i'm sure you get some of it in the more affluent neighborhoods and gentrified pockets of other neighborhoods in SF and oakland too.

Re:Peak Valley? by seem_2211 on Sunday September 02, 2018 @11:21PM (#17900082)
I dunno if the system is broken to be honest - and I don't think it's incompetence that's the problem here. I don't believe a lot of people in City Government honestly care about fixing the problem.
Re:Peak Valley? by rhizome on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @03:50PM (#17912232)
I don't believe a lot of people in City Government honestly care about fixing the problem

You don't know anybody in city government, then.