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Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by ronnier on Saturday September 01, 2018 @12:41PM (#17892654)
My opinion is that likely mostly impacts men. I see men struggling to find women to date (and the opposite for women, too many men to pick from). The internet and apps have made the dating market very difficult for men in general. Women literally have 100's or 1000's of choices at any given time while men will struggle to have a single option.

There are just more men now than ever it seems, and it's really exaggerated in the Western US tech cities. When I go out, I sometimes count and I'll see 20 men to 1 woman at places.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by gbear605 on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:12PM (#17892815)
For people between 25 and 54, in America, there are almost exactly as many men as women, to within less than one percent. [0] So if you see more men than women around you, that's a filter bubble that you've artificially put yourself in. Therefore the converse must be that there are many other places in America where there are more women than men.

So go out, socialize, get away from your bubble, and meet other people.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by aphextron on Saturday September 01, 2018 @03:35PM (#17893554)
>For people between 25 and 54, in America, there are almost exactly as many men as women, to within less than one percent. [0] So if you see more men than women around you, that's a filter bubble that you've artificially put yourself in. Therefore the converse must be that there are many other places in America where there are more women than men.

Total number of females in the entire population != the number of reproductive aged heterosexual women within my particular socioeconomic level that are single and seeking a relationship. That number is absolutely tiny in comparison. And with even the slightest convolution for racial or looks preference it's down to maybe a few thousand individuals out of millions in a major metro area.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by ronnier on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:37PM (#17892957)
Looking at this, singles between 18 and 44, there's just a massive amount of men compared to women: http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#1/6/2/0
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by gbear605 on Saturday September 01, 2018 @03:04PM (#17893409)
That only charts cities. I strongly suspect that the answer is just that there are unmatched women who lives in more rural/suburban areas.

For people between 18 and 44, the number of men very closely matches the number of women. So, ignoring polyamory, the the proportion of singles across America must be very gender-equal. Since that shows that the proportion of singles in cities in male-skewed, the proportion of singles elsewhere must be female-skewed.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by reversecs on Saturday September 01, 2018 @03:40PM (#17893577)
The proportion of single women is not skewed in other cities, its skewed in other age groups.

You can have the same number of men and women and the older women have a hard time finding a man and the young men have a hard time finding a woman.

It makes sense if you think about older men and younger women being able to easily match up and older women and younger men not being able to find anyone.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by kuroguro on Saturday September 01, 2018 @02:24PM (#17893236)
How is that even possible?
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by ronnier on Saturday September 01, 2018 @02:47PM (#17893332)
Naturally there are more men born than women.

I'd guess also more men than women migrate to the US for work.

Men used to die in large number from war and work, not so anymore.

So here we are.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by yorwba on Saturday September 01, 2018 @03:16PM (#17893468)
Also young women dating older men. Just look at the excess of female singles at the upper end of the age range on that map.
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by btingle on Saturday September 01, 2018 @06:17PM (#17894185)
>Naturally there are more men born than women

The ratio of men to women in the US is almost exactly 50/50 (with a slight bias to women!) In fact, that ratio has gone down in favor of women over the years[0], which invalidates your last point. And unless you live in a select few states[1] this holds true.

Instead of there being a secret gender imbalance cover up, it seems much more likely to me that cities with large tech industries (like NYC) are just swimming with sausage.

[0]https://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-9.pdf

[1]https://www.statista.com/statistics/301946/us-population-mal...

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by lainga on Saturday September 01, 2018 @02:30PM (#17893263)
Hypergamy?
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by gbear605 on Saturday September 01, 2018 @03:04PM (#17893415)
The website only looks at cities, not at all areas where people live. Simple solution: singles in rural/suburban areas skew female.
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by redisman on Saturday September 01, 2018 @04:36PM (#17893779)
Brb starting a tech bros -> rural chicks dating website
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by justboxing on Saturday September 01, 2018 @04:11PM (#17893696)
> For people between 25 and 54, in America, there are almost exactly as many men as women, to within less than one percent

Even if true, this means nothing w.r.t. men struggling to find women. Like with most other things in life, a few good (looking) men, rich men, charismatic men disproportionately (get to) date several women, whereas most (,not all) women tend to be loyal to 1 guy [1], so that leaves a lot of men with no potential mate...

Natural selection at it's finest.

[1] Because society says that if a man has many women, he is a 'Casanova' / 'Player' whereas if a woman has many men, she's labelled a 'Hoe' / 'Bimbo'. So women, even if they desire to be with more than 1 man at a time, either suppress it, or do it very discretely.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by btingle on Saturday September 01, 2018 @06:32PM (#17894238)
Are you saying that there is an epidemic of polyamorous, rich, good looking men? In my experience, men dating multiple women at once, while it does happen, is not very common. Same goes for women. If people mostly pair off 1:1, this hypothesis that a small percentage of men control a large percentage of women (occupy chad street?) doesn’t really make any sense.
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by tomp on Saturday September 01, 2018 @09:10PM (#17894872)
> Because society says

I often wonder if it's society saying it, or if it's reality (e.g. our biology or plain logic) saying it and our society just echoing. For example, society is saying that you should brush your teeth, but science is also saying that, so it's a good thing that society is echoing and amplifying the message.

For the specific example you mentioned, I think it's very likely that society is just echoing what biology is dictating, which is that men have sex/children with as many women as they can, and women to select as good genes for their few children as they can.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by gaius on Saturday September 01, 2018 @04:43PM (#17893797)
I am happily married now of course but when I tried online dating years ago, I remember that many women were hyperspecific about what they wanted in terms of minimum height and minimum income and even make of car in a potential partner. This was written in their profiles. The population of 6-foot-plus BMW driving 6-figures earning men on online dating was probably much, much smaller than the horde of women who would settle for nothing else!

When checking out the norms for men when writing my own profile I never saw any men as detailed about their physical requirements, interestingly.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by mynameishere on Saturday September 01, 2018 @08:57PM (#17894813)
I suppose I could get a stupid BMW and hit all the desirable points you list, but I doubt it would help. In fact I'm sure it wouldn't.

But you aren't kidding about women's preferences on dating sites. They can actually go on and on and on, sometimes numbering fifty or sixty necessary traits. By contrast, what does a man want? Aside from political men who need a competent hostess, I think just about every man wants:

1. A woman who is passably attractive.

2. A woman who isn't crazy.

That's about it, but damn that narrows down 3.5 billion women mighty fast.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by gaius on Sunday September 02, 2018 @03:50AM (#17896091)
They can actually go on and on and on, sometimes numbering fifty or sixty necessary traits.

I never saw as many as that myself but a dozen or more wouldn’t be unusual. A few might be reasonable such as “must love dogs” but nearly all would be materialistic, or physical traits that no one has any control over. I imagine the authors of these elaborate lists also complain bitterly to anyone who’ll listen that “there are no decent men”.

And I never, ever saw a man list the bra size or handbag brand his match should have...

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by iamcasen on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:19PM (#17892852)
In the US too there is a trend of women taking over the work force due to the nature of where the economy is headed. The kinds of jobs that need doing are jobs that women excel at. Less and less manual labor, more and more intellectual and social labor.

There is a huge shift taking place in society, and while I don't think it is a bad thing, there will certainly be a lot of discomfort while society adapts.

Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by mathgenius on Saturday September 01, 2018 @08:42PM (#17894747)
Try social dancing: salsa, argentine tango, swing.
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by lardo on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:17PM (#17892842)
Where do you think the women are all hiding?
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by iamcasen on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:21PM (#17892864)
OP probably works in a city packed with male-dominated industries, and works in a male dominated industry himself. As a software engineer myself, I find this perfectly understandable. When I took a work trip to NYC and spent time in the financial sector, I was blown away by how many women were around me.
Re:Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among th... by fossuser on Saturday September 01, 2018 @01:27PM (#17892904)
NYC, DC, and a lot of the south.