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Re:The 20-Hour Flight Is Coming, and It May Have a Gym and B... by dmurray on Thursday August 30, 2018 @07:32PM (#17881748)
Planes basically never crash, though. So legislating less dense cabins under the guise of safety, while tempting for those of us who would like slightly more expensive and less crowded flights, is at best intellectually dishonest and at worst a direct path to more overall transport deaths thanks to increased car use.

It's actually not the airlines who are being hypocritical here.

Re:The 20-Hour Flight Is Coming, and It May Have a Gym and B... by dsr_ on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:49PM (#17882101)
Let's not forget about the many deaths that typically occur in the traffic jams between Sydney and London.

Hey, since planes basically never crash, maybe they shouldn't have any safety equipment at all? I bet you could reduce weight a lot by just marking sitting positions on the bare floor in economy. And you could provide hand-hold straps every so often for turbulent bits (we're acknowledging those, right?).

Strangely, there are relatively few opportunities to shift transport modes for intercontinental travel, other than trivial cases like crossing from Europe to Asia across the Bosporus, which some people do as part of their daily commute. Claiming that you're going to reduce deaths by moving people in aircraft versus cars? Even if aircraft were 100% safe, you couldn't move enough people through the current commercial aviation system to make a noticeable dent.

(Fermi estimate: 800 million passenger tickets in the US (2015), 350 million people make an average of 2 ground vehicle trips per day, that's 700 million * 365 = 255 billion. If airplanes can carry 25% more people (and they can't) by perfect substitution for automobile trips, that would reduce it from 255 to 254 billion trips. 1/255 fewer deaths. That's best case, because the US already makes more plane trips per capita than any other country.)

Re:The 20-Hour Flight Is Coming, and It May Have a Gym and B... by tzs on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:43PM (#17882305)
The relevant number for this discussion is not how often planes crash, but rather how often they need an evacuation. That is much more frequent than crashes [1].

[1] http://avherald.com/h?search_term=evacuation&opt=0&dosearch=...