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Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by jl2718 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:36PM (#17879436)
Do people not realize that leave benefits decrease wages? Some will abuse this. Most will not use it at all.

Why does anybody need paid leave? Are we unable to save money for planned vacations and life events?

Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by jrfinkel on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:49PM (#17879579)
"Some will abuse this." LOL, yeah I'm gonna deal with 9 months of pregnancy, and then several months of recovery, and then raise a kid for 18+ years just so I can get that sweet, sweet leave.

Do people not realize that leave benefits are necessary if you wish to attract high skill workers?

Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by jl2718 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:53PM (#17881136)
You ask a yes/no question where both options indicate acceptance of your premise. Is there a name for this rhetorical device?

The premise, however, is wrong. The best workers in any field are not employees.

Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by SandwichTeeth on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:39PM (#17879467)
Many US employees are literally living paycheck to paycheck. Not being given paid leave would mean not taking leave at all as they cannot afford to miss a paycheck.
Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by mrgoldenbrown on Thursday August 30, 2018 @03:09PM (#17879766)
Yes many working Americans are "unable to save money for planned vacations and life events." Stagnant wages vs living costs mean many Americans working full time jobs (sometimes a full time job and a part time job) are living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to save.
Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by jl2718 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:45PM (#17881070)
I understand that employees are exploited. I don't think employee benefits helps the problem.
Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by squirrelicus on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:46PM (#17879542)
Definitely. Though I'd expand on one dimension

These benefits must necessarily cause at least one, but often more than one of:

- increase in product price

- decrease in product quality

- decrease in liquid compensation

- decrease in profit margins

For those that argue along the lines of "profit margins ought to be reduced" should also take into account that the profit margins are already often set as low as possible by the nature of market competition, so there's often not a lot to work with. Most companies globally don't get the luxury of holding everything constant but cutting costs of goods sold like we do in software because most companies don't catastrophically overspend in costs of goods sold like we do.

Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by EliRivers on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:40PM (#17879482)
Why does anybody need paid leave? Are we unable to save money for planned vacations and life events?

There is evidence indicating that to be the case, yes.

Re:Microsoft will require suppliers to offer paid parental l... by crysin on Thursday August 30, 2018 @02:52PM (#17879615)
I think there is also a psychological effect. Knowing you're getting paid while vacationing is a lot more comforting than thinking about all the hours of pay you're not getting. I think this would fall under a similar effect to how JC Penney removing their sales pricing and just pricing their clothing accurately caused a decrease in sales because people didn't get that feeling of victory that they're making a strategic purchase.