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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by circles_for-day on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:24AM (#17876082)
People love to point out the problems in that area and say SV will evaporate. I just moved from sf to a city that’s in the top 3 for venture capital.

The job opportunities, talent, networks, and standards of code here are so much lower I wouldn’t have believed it if somebody had told me.

Maybe some startups are leaving but I’d move back if I had a startup. It’s a lot of small ponds out here

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by JumpCrisscross on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:26AM (#17876098)
Power structures shift in recessions. The political and economic seeds of a shift are being planted, by outgoing migration, investment and political support. These things have a habit of slowly drifting before coming to a loud succession of socioeconomic bangs within the months following a recession.
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by joering2 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:32AM (#17876138)
Interesting. Can u elaborate further? What will be end result??
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by bitexploder on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:37AM (#17876170)
Probably a moderate recession. SV will still be the place for startups, but it's costs have reached a rather high and probably unsustainable level.
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by Finnucane on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:48AM (#17876225)
No one is saying SV is going to evaporate. It's just kind of absurd, really, to think that it can contain the whole industry, or that it should even try. There's still plenty of underutilized space in the country. We don't all have to crowd into the same few cities.

edited for: typing before coffee.

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by nervousvarun on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:29AM (#17876117)
Assuming you stayed in the US, the top 5 cities are: SF, San Jose, NYC, Boston, and LA.

https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/10/venture-capital-concent...

Gotta think there's more than small ponds in those cities.

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by aninteger on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:33AM (#17876145)
Replace LA with Seattle.
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by Latteland on Thursday August 30, 2018 @05:42PM (#17881044)
Seattle is full, don't come here. It's full of dead people. Plus there's no jobs. I'm glad to see LA usurping our place.
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by um_ya on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:54AM (#17876250)
Also Denver and Austin
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by vasilipupkin on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:09AM (#17876349)
Seattle has the wildfires that are just going to get worse and worse due to climate change.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-wildfires-burn-miles-away-sm...

wonder what specifically downvoters are not liking about this factual comment. It's relevant for quality of life. It's likely that quality of life in Seattle will get worse over time due to increased wildfires causing unhealthy air. All things being equal, fewer people should want to move there because of that.

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by tjr225 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:07AM (#17876805)
The smoke has been going on for 2, arguably 3 years. That isn't enough data to conclude that it will be a persistent issue, let alone that it will continually get worse. Even if we consider that global warming is an issue, cooler and wetter weather patterns could and probably will, given the history of the weather here, emerge. But sure, go ahead and be an alarmist - I don't want people to move here either.
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by vasilipupkin on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:29AM (#17877000)
https://www.dw.com/en/how-climate-change-is-increasing-fores...

2-3 years of worst air quality ever? why would I want to live in a place like that? why would anyone? my argument is, forecasts related to climate science is that these issues are likely to get worse over time

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by tjr225 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:48AM (#17877655)
There are a variety of factors that contribute to these wildfires aside from climate change. These are factors that could change over months, years, and decades and absolutely remain to be seen.

You're framing it as if we're living within a constant choking haze of smoke. The air quality really has only been that bad for 1-2 days per year in the last 2 years. People might want to live there because the other 363 days of the year, the weather is pretty great - our high salaries and unparalleled access to mountains, sea, and desert notwithstanding. If you're earnestly interested in learning about the air quality here, you can check out this blog post: http://wasmoke.blogspot.com/2018/08/too-many-apples-to-orang...

But I digress as I don't really want to convince anyone, let alone someone who already doesn't want to live here to move here.

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by vasilipupkin on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:40PM (#17882766)
It wasn’t 1-2 days, it was several weeks. And I’m not saying that this is a 100% certain situation. I’m saying, there is a decent probability it’s going to get worse over time due to climate change.
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by tjr225 on Friday August 31, 2018 @02:22AM (#17883355)
No, the air quality wasn't the "worst ever" (not here at least) for several weeks- That is not the truth. In any case I've tried to answer your questions the best that I can and I am not inclined to care why you are on presenting this as truth.
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by vasilipupkin on Friday August 31, 2018 @07:45AM (#17884714)
It was bad, for more than 1 or two days, right ? Here is the truth:

Due to climate change, forest fires are likely to get worse over time on average, which should impact Seattle air quality over time. Is this certain ? No, but there is a substantial probability it’s happening.

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by redisman on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:20AM (#17876926)
California has much bigger fires than WA though
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by vasilipupkin on Thursday August 30, 2018 @11:45AM (#17877631)
sure, but the smoke isn't hitting any city quite as bad
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by hamburglar1 on Thursday August 30, 2018 @08:25AM (#17876091)
What city? How are you measuring standards of code?
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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by circles_for-day on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:13AM (#17876380)
The city is mentioned in the above list. It’s much more livable.

I’m measuring code quality by asking questions to interview candidates for a variety of positions. I ask about how their current and past jobs work, what they’d change, and how they’d architect X.

My coworkers’ opinions and previous code are another indicator.

Disclaimers- I’m not any kind of prodigy or in the upper echelons of engineering, but the standards here are so low even I can tell. This is also a fairly high profile company for the area.

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by MrEfficiency on Thursday August 30, 2018 @09:19AM (#17876422)
>standards of code here are so much lower

What do you mean?

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Re:Why startups are leaving Silicon Valley by redisman on Thursday August 30, 2018 @10:21AM (#17876934)
Extrapolating from a tiny data set?
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