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Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by Reason077 on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @12:42PM (#17860335)
Isn't the "urban heat island" effect a fundamental property of the way we've designed and built our cities?

To fix it, wouldn't we need to redesign buildings to have things like green roofs and use construction materials that reflect heat. And we'd have to tear up much of our paving and roads and replace them with trees, water, and green space. That all sounds nice, and it's a good principle to consider when designing new urban areas.

But it's extremely expensive and disruptive to go rebuilding existing cities, and all the construction itself would have an environmental cost. Surely air conditioning is cheaper?

Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by mjevans on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @04:39PM (#17862653)
I like the idea of moving towards Caves of Steel, but with parks on top and atrium areas where streets currently are.

It might also be possible to use a heat-stack effect to draw the air out of the city as a whole.

Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by ajmurmann on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:27AM (#17865626)
If we could adopt a combination of subways, dreaded e-scooters, bikes and golf cards for elderly and people with disabilities we could make this happen. Some European cities have huge pedestrian zones and it works.
Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by vanderZwan on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @06:34AM (#17867151)
> But it's extremely expensive and disruptive to go rebuilding existing cities, and all the construction itself would have an environmental cost. Surely air conditioning is cheaper?

It's at best a cheaper up-front investment. And while it is one thing to think about the limits of retrofitting old buildings, that is no excuse to not do better with newly constructed ones.

Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by hinkley on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @12:56PM (#17860471)
First thing to do is stop making the problem worse.

Last I checked we are still building our cities. Mine is in the process of knocking down all the one story commercial space and replacing it with six story mixed use buildings.

Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by Reason077 on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @01:13PM (#17860640)
Increasing density in urban areas by building up is the right thing to do, compared to expanding urban areas which would require more paving, more roads, and more inefficient use of land.

It's the way we design those new buildings that's important.

Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by grandmczeb on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @01:50PM (#17861041)
Increased density means fewer low density buildings and paved surfaces elsewhere. Urbanization is a massive net positive for the environment.
Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by adrianN on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @02:19PM (#17861342)
It's a lot easier to insulate multi story buildings. Volume grows faster than surface area.
Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by toasterlovin on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @01:20PM (#17860710)
You're just trading off energy spent cooling denser cities vs. increased transportation in less dense cities.
Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by Panoramix on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @01:14PM (#17860653)
Why is that bad? people complain about the enormous costs of accommodation, to which the main solution is simply to build more.
Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by danso on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @03:11PM (#17861908)
Your proposed alternative is to increase urban sprawl?
Re:Air-conditioners do great good, but at a high environment... by hinkley on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @06:27PM (#17863500)
What? No. My point is that each new building is a chance to do better. Claiming it’s too late because we have built up areas is helplessness.

If you double the size of a town and build the new half well you solve more than half of the problem.