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Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by bayesian_horse on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:02PM (#17843802)
My main concern (I'm not a nuclear engineer) is that smaller nuclear plants means lots of radioactive material (fuel/waste) is being moved and stored in a piece-meal fashion, enabling "small scale" accidents or even theft.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by anonymous5133 on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:01AM (#17844360)
I've always thought if the reactor was so small then why can't we just by default build the reactors underground? Isn't the underground a more stable area to begin with? Even during earthquakes? Reactor waste could be stored at the location permanently and if the reactor gets the 1 in a million accident then the whole place is already basically built in a cement/rock containment vessel. If a serious meltdown occurs then it would be easy to just start pouring lead or cement into the facility. Even if there was a small nuclear explosion we already know the impacts of underground nuclear explosions.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday August 26, 2018 @05:37AM (#17845101)
> why can't we just by default build the reactors underground?

It would appear to carry an increased risk of hidden problems and groundwater poisoning. There might also be issues with corrosion and accessibility for maintenance.

That said, I'm not ruling it out. A lesson these new approaches to nuclear engineering is that we never figured out the right defaults the last time around. We were too focussed on making bombs and submarines.

> we already know the impacts of underground nuclear explosions

Nuclear plants should never fail by way of nuclear explosion. If this is a possibility it is a bad reactor design.

Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by pfdietz on Sunday August 26, 2018 @08:49AM (#17845707)
> Nuclear plants should never fail by way of nuclear explosion. If this is a possibility it is a bad reactor design.

Fast reactors have always had this potential problem, since they require a much higher density of high enrichment material. A larger fast reactor might have a ton of plutonium in it; in an accident where fuel is melting and moving around unpredictably it's hard to prove that a prompt supercritical mass of Pu won't assemble somewhere. Edward Teller famously warned about this in 1967.

This is one advantage of MSRs as fast reactors: the fuel is already dispersed in salt, so such rearrangement is less plausible.

Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by donttrustatoms on Monday August 27, 2018 @02:05AM (#17849728)
"Fast reactors have always had this potential problem"

- Not really. Check out the dramatic experiments at EBR-II (fast reactor) demonstrating unprotected loss of coolant at full power. It shut itself down. Without damage. And started back up later that day, and operated that year, as a research reactor, with better uptime (capacity factor) than the fleet at the time.

Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by pfdietz on Monday August 27, 2018 @05:33PM (#17854761)
That just shows that in that particular accident scenario the situation would not arise.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by jabl on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:26AM (#17844743)
Many of the current small reactor concepts are indeed designed to be installed below grade.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by aidenn0 on Saturday August 25, 2018 @11:04PM (#17843986)
Most modern designs are specifically designed to not create materials that are easily weaponizable, which reduces the value of them (and thus theft). Accidents are an issue, and what do do with the waste is a huge question that will decide whether or not nuclear plants are economically feasible moving forward.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by bayesian_horse on Sunday August 26, 2018 @05:58AM (#17845153)
Radioactivity is invisible, and not detectable short of a Geiger counter. It doesn't even hurt at a dose that would eventually kill people. Also, depending on the radiation, radioactivity can make other materials dangerous.

And yes, the fuel they are talking about is a lot more radioactive than a banana or whatever.

I just worry that somebody with ill will or even just bad luck will defeat security measures "en detail", if the material is moving around in smaller parcels. Also, more people "legitimately" possessing a reactor and radioactive material will hardly decrease the risk of intentional abuse.

Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by basicplus2 on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:37AM (#17844280)
Just because one cant make a nuclear bomb from the material does not mean it cannot be weaponised.. Anything radioactive that can be spread into the food chain is an issue.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by lallysingh on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:45AM (#17844300)
There's a lot there that depends on the specifics of the substances. Radioactivity doesn't mean dangerous or weaponizable. Bananas are radioactive. Granite countertops are radioactive.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by bayesian_horse on Sunday August 26, 2018 @05:59AM (#17845157)
I assume they are not fueling nuclear plants with bananas and granite.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by onetimemanytime on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:53AM (#17844500)
Anything radioactive that can be spread into the food chain is an issue.

or mixed with a suicide belt's "materials"

Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by DennisP on Sunday August 26, 2018 @11:38AM (#17846370)
If Terrapower or other molten chloride fast reactors work out, then waste is a solved problem.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by DennisP on Sunday August 26, 2018 @11:35AM (#17846357)
No reason a bunch of small reactors can't be put together at one site. The reason for building small is just to reduce construction time risk, and maybe allow factory mass production.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by qubax on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:15PM (#17846509)
Also not a nuclear engineer, but "mini-nuclear" anything doesn't conjure up anything good for me either. Hopefully, unlike in the tech world, the nuclear world thinks about and implements safety first rather than as an after thought.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by tootie on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:12PM (#17843824)
I'm sure Uber is working on this.
Re:Energy Department teams up with Bill Gates to move mini-n... by brodsky on Saturday August 25, 2018 @11:07PM (#17843994)
very edgy, but this isn't reddit.