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Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by jdietrich on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:41PM (#17830076)
If you're an advertising executive or a software developer and decide that you'd be happier living in the desert and making weird sculptures from scrap, that is very much an option. Living in a cabin in the woods or sailing around the world or establishing a commune for circus artists is a thing that you can do, and you don't need to be a millionaire to do it.
Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by adrianN on Friday August 24, 2018 @01:28AM (#17832983)
Living in a shed with basically no income works okay while you're relatively young and healthy. It really kills your chances of living comfortably when you're old and can't work on your potato patch anymore.
Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by jdietrich on Friday August 24, 2018 @02:41PM (#17836915)
If you're a software developer or an advertising executive, you have a lot of options in terms of freelancing, consulting and remote employment. You have more choices than just conventional employment or voluntary destitution.
Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by marnett on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:03PM (#17830277)
is it possible you have any tips on the circus commune?
Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by ramses0 on Thursday August 23, 2018 @06:40PM (#17831209)
wwoof + circus turns up something in oregon. Investigate if you're interested.
Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by theossuary on Thursday August 23, 2018 @05:24PM (#17830806)
I don't think you know how expensive it would be to sail around the world. Especially if you'd like to do it somewhat comfortably.
Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by jdietrich on Thursday August 23, 2018 @08:07PM (#17831699)
You've fallen into the trap of believing that there's only one way of doing things - the preposterously expensive way that's promoted in lifestyle magazines.

How much does it cost to learn to sail? If you take a Yachtmaster Offshore course, it'll cost you somewhere in the region of $15,000. If you show up at any marina and look keen, someone in need of crew will take you on board and show you the ropes for free. Many people have sailed around the world at almost no cost by crewing on other people's boats.

How much does a sailing boat cost? A brand new 50 footer with all the trimmings will cost you upwards of $400,000. You can buy a rough little boat and properly fit it out for bluewater sailing for about $20,000. It'll be ugly, it'll be cramped, it'll have faded gelcoat and threadbare upholstery, but it'll safely take you across oceans. That's not a trivial sum of money, but it's well within reach of most skilled professionals. If you look after it, you'll be able to sell it for close to what you paid for it.

What are your other costs? Mainly food, running repairs and mooring fees. If you want to do everything in five-star luxury, expect to spend about $80,000 over the course of a circumnavigation. If you don't mind sleeping at anchor and eating from dented cans, you could easily circumnavigate for under $8,000 - less if you avoid the Panama Canal.

There's a widespread belief - particularly in America - that adventurous lifestyles are the exclusive domain of the gratuitously wealthy. The reality is very different, especially if you're young, childless and have marketable skills. Even if you're none of those things, your options are far wider than you might imagine as long as you're willing to think creatively and live modestly.

https://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Small-Income-Annie-Hill/dp/1...

Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by icc97 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:57AM (#17908358)
My dad bought a 22ft ketch rig for £28k and sold it about 6 years later for around £22k. It was in good condition, certainly nothing threadbare, but no luxury either. He had it around my late teen years, some of the best memories of my childhood were on that boat. So it cost about £1,000 / year split between 4 (2 adults 2 teenagers). Much better experiences than crappy beach holidays.
Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by krrrh on Thursday August 23, 2018 @05:38PM (#17830899)
Someone I know well wanted to sail around the world. Learned to sail, and she got to know people with boats who needed crew to take shifts on their sailboards, and were headed somewhere interesting. Then she would repeat the process at the next port. There are also forums for connecting people in this manner. She always got food on board, and sometimes paid a stipend at the end of the trip. After a year and a half of adventure in dream locales I don't think she was out-of-pocket more than a four figure sum.

Certainty, and minimizing risk is expensive, but accepting the opposite can open up a lot of opportunities.

Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by dmurray on Thursday August 23, 2018 @06:46PM (#17831231)
I've met a few people doing versions of this. It's definitely possible to sail round the world on 2-6 person boats and come back with more money than you started with.

You can't skip over the cost (both time and money) of learning to sail, though. It's not a cheap hobby, though you might get lucky and find someone to take you on for free.

Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by fizx on Thursday August 23, 2018 @05:35PM (#17830884)
Sailing around the Mediterranean, then selling your boat two years later and sailing around the Caribbean, then doing it again somewhere else is easily within the reach of middle-class finances.

Having a boat and crew large enough, comfortable and capable enough to sail the open ocean is really the hard part, but you can get most of the pleasure while avoiding that.

Re:The Vanishing Idealism of Burning Man by barbs on Thursday August 23, 2018 @05:34PM (#17830878)