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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by johnkpaul on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:44PM (#17829196)
Interesting, I've never actually heard this point of view.

Do you mean I'm wasting their time because it's not their responsibility to know if they have had successes? Or because it's my fault for eating too much when I could decide not to?

I'm honestly asking this, please don't take this as an attack. I am very curious as to your thoughts about doctors.

I'm generally asking because I am hopeful that they provide me with a motivation to believe that someone else has done what they're asking me to do.

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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by nradov on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:16PM (#17829839)
Why do you want others to provide you with motivation? You know what you have to do. Just do it. Right now it seems like you're expecting to fail, and looking for excuses to not even try.
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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by johnkpaul on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:21PM (#17829880)
Because I have questioned for decades if it is possible.

Similar to an alcoholic finding comfort in Alcoholics Anonymous, I would love to find someone who has been lifelong obese who has shed the pounds for more than a year.

Do you mean that it is wasting a doctors time because they don't owe me motivation? I am talking about my obesity specialists. They are giving me diets and exercise plans that I am doing. I don't feel like I am not trying.

Do you mean that I am not trying because I am not successful?

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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by nradov on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:36PM (#17830031)
Do or do not. There is no "try". If you consume fewer calories then you expend then you are guaranteed to lose weight.
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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by johnkpaul on Thursday August 23, 2018 @03:41PM (#17830082)
Oh I wasn't clear. I was just using the word "try" because you did in your previous reply. I totally agree with you. I think I said that in my original comment. That is unassailable. You are correct.

With respect to doctors and motivation though, do you think that I should not ask them for success stories?

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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by nradov on Thursday August 23, 2018 @04:40PM (#17830523)
If you're not really willing to take action then you can always find a plausible excuse about why it was too hard or outside your control. You can certainly ask doctors if you like but I can't imagine how their answers would make a difference.
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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by johnkpaul on Thursday August 23, 2018 @09:54PM (#17832177)
I'm mainly looking for their successful treatment of others because that is a typical way to assess medical professionals. When a surgeon wants to perform a bypass, most people ask how successful that surgeon has been in the past.

I understand that you're saying that the doctor can't do anything if I'm so lazy that I find excuses all the time, but I don't feel like I have ever given a doctor an excuse. I feel like doctors give me excuses constantly about their success rates.

From my perspective, if they give the same advice to 100,000 people and of them they have 0 successful treatments by their own data, I'm going to assume I should find other advice

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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by nradov on Friday August 24, 2018 @11:21AM (#17835461)
The advice is always going to be some variant of consuming fewer calories than you expend. Obviously the success rate is >0. Other than that I suspect you're just looking for reasons to argue instead of taking responsibility for your own choices.
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Re:Clicker Diet: Tracking Diet with Tally Counter by johnkpaul on Friday August 24, 2018 @01:54PM (#17836538)
I wish I found that a success rate is >0 to be so obvious, or else I wouldn't be asking the question.

Do you know anyone lifelong obese that has had a year or more of losing weight?

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