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> Not excusing YC because I don't care about them, but Jesus, stop trying to apply the standards of the liberal west to all the world.

No. Please stop pleading for exceptions to basic human rights.

eahman07 has a point. Whether or not you truly believe China abuses fundamental human rights more than any other group, the reality is that the usage by the West has historically been a political tool used for political warfare. It tends to lose its credibility and legitimacy with the kettle calling the teapot black if the accusation gets thrown around liberally.

A much better way than mindless reactionism is to look at the complex situation unfolding there rather than to use the traditional leftist tactic of "calling every Trump supporter a racist". It seems like China is just taking a heavy-hand at trying to fight potential extremism and terrorism. Whether it's right or not is up for discussion, but pretending like it's a one-sided thing is just more political warfare.

You're absolutely right. The concept of human rights has been, is, and likely will be used as a smokescreen to disguise dishonest and greedy grabs for power.

All of this is true. All of this is real. All of this is tragic and painful and extracts a price in human suffering.

You're absolutely, completely, 100% right. In every possible way, with no exceptions whatsoever. There is much work to be done, and abuses make it harder than it needs to be. These abuses can, should, and must stop.

Yet, it's perhaps possible that none of these abuses should be understood as invalidating the very notion of basic human rights.

Lots of people bat many eyes as well as organize against and boycott goods from those places. Saying that human rights are 'nothing more than a tool from the west to impose their will' is wrong on its face. Sure they can be used an excuse for intervention, but human rights have been a goal starting within the west itself (e.g. the struggle for racial equality in the US).

Concentration camps are a problem, not a solution.

What do you believe the “problem” is, exactly?

What will it be “too late” for?

Something like this has probably been said at least once about every group of immigrants in the history of the United States. As far as I know the only time it ever became true was when white people displaced the Indians.

@dang, remember I said there is collective here mercilessly killing wrongthink in threads? Marking as "flagged"? Exhibit A.

Doesn't 'wrongthink' imply 'think'? I don't see much thinking here, just tribalistic bashing. HN is for the users who don't want that.

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No, no, no. Terrorism is a problem, but a very small minority of Muslims are terrorists. If I lived in China, I would be at least as violent. Concentration camps are terrible. I've spoken with people who lived in them. Don't ever support them or call them a "solution" to the "problem" of an ethnicity, religion, or culture. That's what the nazis did.

So your answer to violence is to use violence? ...because nazis?

Not refuting your comment at all, but I just want to point out one thing. If even 1% of a population is bad, 1% of a billion is 10 million. 0.1% is still a million. That's an awful lot of bad people.

Sure, but if you're talking about bad people in general (i.e. violent criminals), immigrants as a group commit far fewer violent crimes than the rest of the population. There are an awful lot of bad white, Christian people too.

No, you're getting downvotes from me at least for 'if even 1% of people are terrorists' - great, citation needed. I have zero evidence that 1% of any population are terrorists. This is the stupid Don Jr. 'what if a bowl of skittles had some poisoned skittles would you still eat skittles' line. Without data on percentage of terrorists in the general population it's meaningless. Further, abusive, hardline policies tend to generate more discontent and ill will within a group leading to yet more terrorists. You take a marginal family (one that's not radical but in a region with radicals) and your oppressing power kills off half that family or sends them to the camps because 'terrorism in the area, 1% whatever' I'd imagine you've just radicalized half the city.

You're getting downvotes specifically because you have simplified a complex issue down to a root that doesn't line up with our decades of experience with terrorism in the middle east using numbers you made up.

This isn't a YouTube comment section.