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Re:What to Do After Finding Hot Connectors on Overhead Power... by colanderman on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @09:14PM (#17815403)
> It's a very simple basic concept

I mean, sure, the general concept of feedback is "simple" and applicable to helicopters, in the same way that addition is "simple" and applicable to planetary orbital dynamics.

But even basic control theory – what you'd need to actually stabilize a dynamic system as complex as a helicopter – fills a textbook or two, and the field is still evolving. [1]

Not to mention that the whole concept of "hovering" is damn difficult for a machine to quantify. You'd need LIDAR and/or visual tracking systems to accurately hold your place in all six dimensions well enough to keep a worker next to a powerline, and only in the past decade have those even become good enough for use in land-based vehicles.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_theory

Re:What to Do After Finding Hot Connectors on Overhead Power... by perl4ever on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:03PM (#17815657)
"But even basic control theory – what you'd need to actually stabilize a dynamic system as complex as a helicopter – fills a textbook or two, and the field is still evolving."

I am not that good at math, but I feel like if I was trying to solve that problem, it should be as simple as finding someone smart and saying "use a Kalman filter"...

In one sense I can't say it's "simple" or "basic" because I can't do it, but I'm under the impression that it is a manageable solved problem that can be summarized in four words. Is that wrong?

Re:What to Do After Finding Hot Connectors on Overhead Power... by colanderman on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:29PM (#17816066)
Yes, in exactly the same sense that "building a bridge is simple because I can say 'use a truss' to a smart person" is wrong. Things having names doesn't automatically make them simple.

There are – like I said – entire textbooks on the subject – and why it is complex – if you are genuinely interested. I mean, heck, there's two textbooks alone about one particular system I randomly found on Wikipedia [1].

However to directly address your misconception, Kalman filters are not control systems. They are related to control theory, and are used to provide inputs to control systems. But control theory is its own thing, and there is no "general" solution to correctly control any given system.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furuta_pendulum

Re:What to Do After Finding Hot Connectors on Overhead Power... by perl4ever on Thursday August 23, 2018 @01:47PM (#17829225)
Regarding your pendulum example - wouldn't it be significantly simpler if you had a closed-loop system with sensors feeding back information? What I was suggesting about Kalman filters was that instead of using a "proper" analysis, is it possibly more practical to just add some cheap sensors and combine their output to tell the actuator what to do?

In a lot of fields, elegant analysis has given way to cheap brute-force application of computers that is easier to generalize - that's what I'm fumbling at here.

After all, if you or I try to balance a pencil on our fingertip, we are not doing the math on that wikipedia page in our heads. We are in fact using something more akin to the brute force method - sense, synthesize, act, repeat.

Re:What to Do After Finding Hot Connectors on Overhead Power... by vladTheInhaler on Friday August 24, 2018 @03:39AM (#17833426)
I'm not an expert in controls, but it's an area that interests me and I've taken a couple classes. It's true that the theory of linear, time-invariant systems is pretty complete. In that very limited framework, you can basically make a system behave in any way you want. The interesting thing is all the various infuriating ways in which real systems fail to be linear. Those nonlinearities can be accounted for, but now you no longer have a turn-key solution. Furthermore, there really is no such thing as the optimal controller. It all depends on the objective function you are trying to optimize. How much do you value a fast response time versus strong disturbance-rejection? Would operating the system that way cause undue wear and tear over the service lifetime? Would it cause danger or discomfort to human passengers (if any)? How sensitive is system behavior to uncertainty in model parameters? It's obvious that the design objectives involved in building an air-to-air missile are very different from those involved in building an elevator. But explicating them and translating them into an actual controller requires a great deal of care.