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Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by nickpinkston on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @09:00PM (#17815319)
However, as someone whose Dad is in prison, a lot of these guys really do want to get out there and do something useful and want this experience.

Many times the people complaining are privileged elites who are inferring what these populations want, but I would caution them to not make assumptions and do their research. It is not unambiguously bad to do this.

We can talk about the long-term reforms of prison, but there are short-term concerns too that might be helpful to them.

Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by Ar-Curunir on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @09:52PM (#17815612)
That's true, but if you're going to use labour, then pay for labour. Anything else is slavery. Especially when this "experience" is not useful post-prison.
Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by Retra on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:45PM (#17816133)
"Experience" isn't really a form of payment anyhow.
Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by jacobush on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @03:39AM (#17817037)
But it is, or interns would be paid in full.
Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by effingwewt on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:52AM (#17817746)
As they should be. Interns are regularly given work that should be given to paid employees and many businesses now see internships as free labor. How many fields of employment would you work for free just for experience? And then to still be paid as a newly graduated hire because 'internship isnt a real job or experience'.

Getting over on someone seems more and more prevalent these days. I swear businesses weren't as bad about these things in the 80's and 90's,maybe it's rose-colored glasses and all that jazz.

Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by erikpukinskis on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:44PM (#17820924)
You’re right interns are often given work that should be paid.

But not all of it need be paid. If I take an intern along to a job that I could’ve done in the same time alone, but I let the intern do the work and supervise them on how to do it, that needn’t be paid because the intern is not providing value, they are just getting training.

Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by Retra on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @07:21PM (#17823141)
Slaves didn't get paid either, that doesn't mean the work they did was worth the experience they gained. Don't try to extract morality from the status quo. That literally sets your goal to "nowhere."
Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by siruncledrew on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:48AM (#17816837)
> Many times the people complaining are privileged elites who are inferring what these populations want, but I would caution them to not make assumptions and do their research. It is not unambiguously bad to do this.

The loudest voices are often the most removed. Watching people in privileged positions immediately infer solutions about things that rarely impact their lives is like watching Madonna give an Aretha Franklin tribute. At the end of the day, it's self-interested. Bringing attention to the matter is definitely important and a worthy cause for sure, but approaching complex problems with unambiguous solutions without much interaction with those actually impacted is not substantively furthering the cause. What seems like a viable conjecture actually becomes using a hammer to pound in a screw. There are big qualitative and empathetic parts in figuring out a strategy that aren't covered in the headlines about prison or published crime statistics.

Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by mikeash on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:19PM (#17816018)
I don’t think people are arguing that prisoners shouldn’t be allowed to work. They’re arguing that prisoners shouldn’t be forced.
Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by jobigoud on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @04:16AM (#17817172)
He is saying they are not forced, that it's more complicated than that. They want to do it, but aren't compensated appropriately.
Re:National prison strike launches over underpaid labor and ... by mikeash on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:51AM (#17818641)
They said a lot of people want to, implying others don’t. And forced is forced even if you want to do it.