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Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by modeless on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:32PM (#17814836)
> The "limit" being referred to is the total data per month

Sorry, that justification doesn't work because their throttling drastically limits the total data per month too. Verizon advertises "Unlimited 4G LTE" and also that their 4G LTE has typical speeds of 5-12 Mbps with 50 Mbps bursts. At the alleged throttled rate of 30 kbps, you couldn't even download 10 GB in a whole month of 24/7 usage, when you could normally expect to download that much in less than 5 hours if you weren't throttled, or as little as 30 minutes at the highest advertised speed.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by mehrdadn on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:20PM (#17815072)
That's not what "unlimited" means. By your logic the word "unlimited" would still be outright illegal no matter what the bandwidth was. And by your logic the police officer giving you a speeding ticket is garnishing your wages. That's not how normal people think, us pedantic computer scientists notwithstanding.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by modeless on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:52PM (#17815266)
By your logic a data plan with a 35 GB monthly limit is unlimited, simply because the last 10 GB is spread over the whole month instead of 5 hours. I'm comfortable saying your interpretation is the less reasonable one.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by mehrdadn on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:54PM (#17815276)
No, you didn't understand my logic. By my logic it depends on the context of how that limitation came to exist: was it due to the speed of light, a consequence of some other limitation, or an explicitly placed limit. But you're welcome to feel differently.
Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by modeless on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:02PM (#17815941)
We're not talking about hypothetical limits based on the speed of light. We're talking about actual limits based on usage. A plan with a per subscriber usage limit is not unlimited no matter what logic you apply.

I see what you're trying to say, let me say it more clearly for you. "Since Verizon only throttles during congestion it's not a per subscriber limit, it's just network management". First of all, I don't believe for a second that they only throttle during congestion and I also don't believe that the amount of congestion they experienced justifies throttling all the way to 30 kbps. They make the throttling that severe to force people to upgrade plans, not because it's necessary. But all of that is moot because they are still using per-subscriber usage to make their throttling decisions. When two people with the same plan on the same tower are throttled differently based on their usage, that's a de facto usage limit and calling it unlimited is false advertising.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to throttle people based on usage. They can do it all day long as long as they don't call it unlimited.

Re:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data duri... by mehrdadn on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:06PM (#17815964)
That's not what I'm trying to say though...