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Re:Russian hackers targeted U.S. conservative think-tanks, s... by c-smile on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:28PM (#17812346)
You had NATO that suddenly lost its grounds when USSR collapsed. Just to keep it afloat you would need to invent new "enemy" for it. When remnants of USSR were in ruins Middle East was wildfired, that stopped people thinking "NATO, against whom?". After that China was assigned as an imminent threat. That passed too. And now Russia.

Any idea what will be the next excuse?

Re:Russian hackers targeted U.S. conservative think-tanks, s... by codedokode on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:08PM (#17812743)
Of course Russia is still a threat and NATO (while serving primarily American interests) helps to protect Eastern Europe countries from Russia. We should not forget that in 1939 USSR invaded into Finland, Baltic countries, Poland if I remember correctly. In 1968 they invaded Chekoslovakia. With NATO those countries probably feel safer.

Ukraine didn't have NATO bases - and lost its territory. This is a reminder for other countries.

Re:Russian hackers targeted U.S. conservative think-tanks, s... by c-smile on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:57PM (#17813748)
You missed cause and consequence. Unprovoked expansion of NATO happened first. After years of warnings. Ukraine was in the line. That non-democratic coup was a step to NATO and inspired/supported by NATO members.

And after that Crimean people expressed that they don't like that by voting out of it.

Re:Russian hackers targeted U.S. conservative think-tanks, s... by codedokode on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:58AM (#17817767)
So you are saying it is Ukraine's fault that NATO was expanding and it deserved a punishment? I cannot follow your logic.

Regarding referendum, it's results (95-96% vote for independence) are obviously falsified. There is nothing new: in 1938 Hitler also got 98-99% votes in occupied Austria [1]. Those 95% in Crimea as real as Hitler's.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Anschluss_referendum,...

Re:Russian hackers targeted U.S. conservative think-tanks, s... by jazzyk on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @10:58AM (#17819133)
Germany/Austria in 1939 is a completely different case.

Let's take a look at the ethnic groups in Crimea - 2014 census:

Russians - 65%

Ukrainians - 15%

Crimean Tatars - 11%

Please note that, of the 15% of Ukrainians living there, most (60%) speak Russian as their first language.

We may argue if the 97% referendum result was rigged or not - we may never know.

But based on the above numbers I think that the people in Crimea really prefer to be part of Russia - because they are Russian!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea