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Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by closeparen on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:38PM (#17806763)
>and not everyone can be a citizen; resource limits, cultural integration, those such issues, see the EU for examples of those challenges and why they limit economic migrants

Concern about the "challenges" of too many brown people in your country is usually just called "racism."

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by toomuchtodo on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:51PM (#17806826)
It’s not the color of their skin, it’s their contribution as citizens (mostly; some immigrants don’t want to assimilate into their host country culture, which again is not a racial issue, it’s a cultural issue). Point me to a country that takes in unskilled immigrants on a visa for anything other than farm labor (in limited quantities).

If you have nothing to offer a country, why would that country accept you except under extenuating circumstances (ie political asylum)? You must be able to contribute in a meaningful way.

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by closeparen on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:00AM (#17806861)
How about the US our ancestors immigrated to?

EDIT: Shifting from a biological to a cultural explanation for why certain racial groups have inferior/unacceptable behaviors doesn't diminish the level of racism. Country of origin dominates any measure of individual assimilation w.r.t your chances in the immigration system, so it's not clear that shifting the rhetorical justification changes anything either.

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by toomuchtodo on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:01AM (#17806875)
That country and time no longer exist, and it’s disingenuous to make such a comparison.
Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by closeparen on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:11AM (#17806929)
Shouldn't you be a little suspicious of a finding that it stopped being appropriate to share $thing after you got yours?

Of course that country still exists. We're all sitting here benefitting from it while we kick the ladder on everyone else.

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by toomuchtodo on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:18AM (#17806961)
I’m not suspicious. The land wasn’t shared, it was taken by force and the people it was taken from were either massacred or rounded up onto reservations where they slowly die out from poverty today. Nothing today can change what was done; that doesn’t make open borders and unlimited immigration penance for our historical wrongs.
Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by closeparen on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:23AM (#17806979)
>Being selective about who a country allows in as a resident or citizen isn’t immoral.

Maybe not, if the selection process were primarily concerned with individual merit. But it isn't. We decide which races to allow as residents or citizens, then throw the individuals into a lottery, with good odds for white countries and bad odds for brown ones. Discriminating on ancestry or proxies for ancestry (like nationality) to keep underprivileged groups down and privileged groups comfortable is immoral. So is denying others the same opportunities benefitted from merely because they came later.

Would your own family tree's entrypoints to the US pass your test?