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Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by baddox on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:48PM (#17805741)
> written by government for the benefit of its citizens

But why, or perhaps more importantly, why should this be the case? Why should citizenship (which is itself an arbitrary legal distinction made by the government) mean a person is more deserving of anything than non-citizen residents? It's not like naturalized citizens did anything to earn their citizenship.

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by toomuchtodo on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:53PM (#17805795)
Because citizens are stakeholders in their government. Everyone else is not. Naturalized citizens earn their citizenship through a well defined process [1].

[1] https://www.usa.gov/become-us-citizen#item-36212

> The decision to apply is a significant one. Citizenship offers many benefits and equally important responsibilities. By applying, you are demonstrating your commitment to this country and our form of government.

> Support and defend the Constitution. Stay informed of the issues affecting your community. Participate in the democratic process. Respect and obey federal, state, and local laws. Respect the rights, beliefs, and opinions of others. Participate in your local community. Pay income and other taxes honestly, and on time, to federal, state, and local authorities. Serve on a jury when called upon. Defend the country if the need should arise.

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learners/citizenship-right...

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by closeparen on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:49PM (#17806815)
"Earning" citizenship has nothing to do with your own choices. It depends on your country of origin and the American public's openly racist opinions about the relative merit of people from your country. It's a given that any immigrant wants to become a US citizen, but quotas deny them that chance.

This is just like the NIMBYs. Work to deny people the opportunity to become "stakeholders," then use your success in doing so to claim their needs don't matter.

The birth lottery is a poor indicator of deservingness. This behavior, on the other hand, is bright-as-day proof of its absence.

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by baddox on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:56PM (#17805820)
How so? Because citizens can vote? Because citizens have some legal protections that don't apply to non-citizens? Doesn't that mean that non-citizens actually have more of a stake in the competence and behavior of the government because they have much more to lose from certain government actions?
Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by toomuchtodo on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:58PM (#17805830)
I'm unsure how we can argue this any further. You're arguing "what supports the existence of the concept of citizenship and a sovereign nation". That is the legal framework (across nations) we've agreed upon.
Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by Aloha on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:04PM (#17806241)
Culture, history, belief in a common set of values or traditions - Tradition.

People ought to have a vested interest in the place they work, and live. I know of no better way to do that than citizenship.

Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by baddox on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:52PM (#17806503)
I have no inherent problem with the concept of citizenship, I just point out that it is arbitrary, and more importantly, I don’t think it should be the threshold for the people the government should be expected to protect or support.
Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by toomuchtodo on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:00PM (#17806555)
It is arbitrary, because you have to draw the line somewhere.
Re:Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers by baddox on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:29AM (#17806994)
How about people who are not violent criminals and don’t have contagious diseases? That is far less arbitrary.