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Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by MBCook on Monday August 20, 2018 @12:17PM (#17801196)
It seems so strange that they wouldn’t have a redundant link (like the various options you suggested) or at least fall back to easily available public data (flight information sites) that would at least help some.
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by lakisy on Monday August 20, 2018 @12:38PM (#17801400)
Some years ago, we lost access to our data center although it had triple network redundancy. What happened was that three cables were leaving the DC leased by three different companies. But a mile down the road, all three different cable entered the same physical pipe. When the physical pipe was severed, all three network cables went dark. We should wait until they announced details of what happened before we decide that we know what happened and offer solution ("If they only had redundant links")
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by lgeorget on Monday August 20, 2018 @01:02PM (#17801625)
If my memory serves, one requirement of high-tier datacenters is that they have redundant electric lines leaving the building from opposite sides and in opposite directions. I guess it must be the same for optic fibers.

I fully agree with you on your last sentence. One should wait for a bit more than a vague declaration reported in a newspaper before giving unsolicited advice.

Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by mmt on Monday August 20, 2018 @07:26PM (#17805094)
> high-tier datacenters

How many people (even tech ops profesionals), these days, know how to tell the difference? Of those that do, how many don't just keep their mouth shut because their bosses don't want to hear it?

These details are just trusted to "the cloud", instead.

Of course, the airport itself isn't a datacenter of any tier, and that "last mile" can be the biggest redundancy challenge, anyway.

Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by hermitdev on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:27PM (#17804149)
Yes, they leave different ends/sides of the building, but you don't have much control on where they have utility right of way and whether or not at some point all of your lines share the same right of way (which is likely).
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by fulafel on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @01:50AM (#17807312)
I have heard this story before, with a twist that initially it was checked for, but the telcos changed it back some years down the road. I wonder what's a good way to audit this.
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by rleigh on Monday August 20, 2018 @12:55PM (#17801544)
Or even the option of inputting the data manually on a local system, so they could use the big displays rather than some whiteboards!
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by mbreese on Monday August 20, 2018 @01:37PM (#17801968)
As someone above already mentioned — the whiteboards themselves also convey the message of “something is wrong, you may want to verify this info” very well.

The medium is the message, etc...

Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by Moggie100 on Monday August 20, 2018 @01:29PM (#17801889)
While I agree that it's odd that there was no fallback, the whiteboards do immediately convey 'stuff is broken, you should check this board' pretty decently, as they would stand out like a sore thumb in the airport normally.

If there was a digital fallback, it would absolutely have to have something to tell commuters that the information might be stale (as someone frantically types up flight updates in a back room somewhere)

Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by gaius on Monday August 20, 2018 @12:24PM (#17801265)
Perhaps they could have gone with a connectivity vendor with an extensive 4G network for backup if the (inexplicably) non-redundant fixed line was cut.
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by heartbreak on Monday August 20, 2018 @02:21PM (#17802415)
I used to work for a major digital signage company and we had a huge contract with Verizon for cellular fallback at every site.
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by Someone1234 on Monday August 20, 2018 @01:53PM (#17802116)
They're with Vodafone who has that.
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by gaius on Monday August 20, 2018 @01:59PM (#17802177)
Indeed. How embarrassing!
Re:Whiteboards used after Gatwick flight information screens... by ljm on Monday August 20, 2018 @03:22PM (#17802998)
The problem is that it's the UK and mobile coverage isn't exactly world class here. You can get more consistent and reliable coverage towards the Russian border than you can around London.