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Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by YeGoblynQueenne on Saturday August 18, 2018 @08:46AM (#17788214)
>> At the moment, it is very easy to suspect that it is only the economics of training a neural net (hardware, specialist attention, data gathering an processing) that is holding us back from AGI.

Neural nets have fundamental limitations, particularly their inability to generalise outside a narrow band around their training set [1].

For instance- you will not find anything in the neural network bibliography about learning such a fundamental concept as counting, in the sense of finding the number n+1 that follows from a given number n, for arbitrary n. A neural net can certainly be trained on that task for numbers in a range [k,n] - but, given numbers outside this range its performance would "fall off a cliff". That's because neural networks can't learn general rules such as "x > y → y = x + k" etc.

Add to this the fact that neural nets, while very good at specific tasks, must be trained anew for each new task- and you see that there is a big problem in getting anything approaching "general intelligence" (which might involve any number of wildly varying tasks) just with neural nets. For one thing- even if you could train a neural net model for something like a million tasks, there would remain the question of somehow stitching them all together in a coherent whole capable of performing the right task at the right time or combining decisions from multiple models.

Finally, note that nobody is even trying to train a neural net to learn "general intelligence" end-to-end from examples; first of all, because we have no idea what constitutes general intelligence and therefore how to collect its examples.

So it's not a matter of scale. More of a matter that there isn't anyone living today that has any idea how to get to AGI with any existing technique- including neural nets.

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[1] https://blog.keras.io/the-limitations-of-deep-learning.html

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by YeGoblynQueenne on Saturday August 18, 2018 @08:51AM (#17788235)
As an aside, in order to be able to speculate about how close we are to AGI, with neural networks or any other technique, it is important to first unerstand the state of the art in AI.

As usual, I'll recommend the classic AI textbook, "AI - A modern approach" by Russel and Norvig:

http://aima.cs.berkeley.edu/

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by bachbach on Saturday August 18, 2018 @03:44PM (#17790230)
Are you really under attack for recommending the standard textbook?

This website's community has got peculiar more and more over the last 3-5 years and not in a positive way. There were the assholes of yesteryear but even they seemed like more sincere assholes than present day assholes.

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by YeGoblynQueenne on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:52PM (#17791590)
I'm guessing my comment was construed as being patronising. I can't imagine anyone would downvote a recommendation to read Russel & Norvig. It's a good book.
Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by ghthor on Saturday August 18, 2018 @01:56PM (#17789652)
I feel like Jeff Hawkins and his research group know how to get to AGI. There neural model has demonstrated generalization outside of training set that you say doesn't exist.

https://youtu.be/dyD0kNZnaAk

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by ghthor on Friday August 24, 2018 @11:36AM (#17835578)
A list of some of my favorite talks given by Jeff Hawkins

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGtryE0TPZPGReCdQ_F-n...

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by keghn on Sunday August 19, 2018 @04:37PM (#17796048)
Here is a synopsis of my complete model with out my complete model of human psychology.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/artificial-general-i...

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by YeGoblynQueenne on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:24PM (#17791444)
Could you please point at the time in that video where this superior generalisation ability is discussed? It's a long video and I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

Better still, could you link to a paper where the relevant results are presented?

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by ghthor on Friday August 24, 2018 @01:38PM (#17836421)
https://youtu.be/6ufPpZDmPKA?list=PLGtryE0TPZPGReCdQ_F-n0aWz...

Sparse Distributed Representations, The data model of the brain and the key to how the brain generalizes.

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by ghthor on Friday August 24, 2018 @11:34AM (#17835560)
https://youtu.be/izO2_mCvFaw?list=LL3W7v7dYI4PwfYukN4hJCSw&t...

All the working examples he shares in this talk are exciting, but this one stands out.

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by ghthor on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @06:42PM (#17822907)
Yes, I will find the demo this for you.
Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by keghn on Sunday August 19, 2018 @04:33PM (#17796027)
really now?
Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by fchollet on Saturday August 18, 2018 @12:00PM (#17789074)
> there isn't anyone living today that has any idea how to get to AGI

Not true.

Re:Artificial Intelligence Still Isn’t All That Smart by YeGoblynQueenne on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:28PM (#17791465)
Well then- who has?