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Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by dragonwriter on Saturday August 18, 2018 @03:33AM (#17787336)
> You didn't at all consider the reason why food stamps might exist in the first place. I don't know anything about them, but I'd assume it has something to do with a correlation between homelessness and life problems that make financial discipline extra hard (eg addictions).

I wouldn't assume that, since food stamps aren't particularly focussed on the homeless.

In fact, the original purpose of the food stamp program was clearing agricultural surpluses (hence why the program was created in the Department of Agriculture and not the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare where you would have expected it to be if it were a welfare program and not an ag industry support program); you originally had to purchase food stamps, and for every dollar you got $1 of unrestricted (but still only for food) stamps, and $0.50 of restrictes-to-items-deemed-to-be-in-surplus stamps.

The exact restrictions and mechanisms changed over time in subsequent iterations of the program (and it's hard to find a clear purpose for many changes because lots were compromises between competing visions with fundamentally opposed goals.)

Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by ada1981 on Saturday August 18, 2018 @04:55AM (#17787568)
If your a crack addict, you’ll prob sell your food stamps or the food you bought to get crack.

Unprocessed trauma coping circuits (aka addiction) highjacks intelligence to get the dopamine trigger, it doesn’t nessesarily eliminate intelligence.

Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by astura on Saturday August 18, 2018 @09:04AM (#17788270)
You can't sell food stamps so easily anymore. They used to be paper currency, but they are in the form of a debit card now, still possible to sell, just requires some planning
Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by fipple on Saturday August 18, 2018 @12:51PM (#17789333)
Every few weeks I get a person approaching me in the grocery store offering to buy me $2x of my groceries for an $x cash payment.
Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by Broken_Hippo on Saturday August 18, 2018 @02:46PM (#17789914)
Exactly this. More food for less money is a good deal if you are just-over-the-line for getting food stamps or the ones you have don't go far enough to really feed your family.
Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by Broken_Hippo on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:32AM (#17788029)
To be fair, folks will do the same if they need cigarettes or need to fix a car to get to work and back.
Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by ada1981 on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:51AM (#17788078)
I agree. Folks will find a way to get their needs met.

You don’t solve trauma with cash, but you also don’t make it worse and the benefits to others seem to be greater.

A regulated nervous system is a need, and if someone never developed that capability and doesn’t have awareness or resources to develop it as an adult, it’s actually a pretty logical move to use drugs.

Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by jsoc815 on Saturday August 18, 2018 @07:55AM (#17788086)
> * the original purpose of the food stamp program was clearing agricultural surpluses (hence why the program was created in the Department of Agriculture...*

This!! I am always a little disappointed to see so many people on HN talking about gov't programs as though they are some form of altruism. They (usually) are not.

SNAP/WIC/EBT (what people are referring to as food stamps, which I don't think exist anymore; the 'benefits' are managed and distributed via a card provided by JPMorgan last I read) is a corporate welfare program.

Every time there's political talk about cutting the 'food stamp' program, the lobbyists come out. Whose lobbyists? Kraft, Walmart, JPMorgan, et al. If you use your 'Googles' you should be able to find a few articles about what % of revenue the program(s) account for some of these programs. One year Kraft said it was something like 14% (I have this on paper somewhere in my archive, but the info's available on the interwebs). Because of this, these programs aren't going anywhere.

This is also why, when you look at the food stuffs provided to students via school breakfast and lunch programs, they're often crap. Food nutrition is not the goal, getting Vitamin $ to companies (and maybe a few small farmers) is.

Meats and grains are heavily subsidized by the USG, produce not so much. IIRC this goes back to the doing of Nixon's guy, Earl Butz.

Re:The Ugly Truth of Ugly Produce by nickpsecurity on Saturday August 18, 2018 @01:43PM (#17789594)
Wow! I didnt know any of that. These clearly-presented, insightful posts are why I love reading your comments. Esp on business or law. Learned a ton from them. :)