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Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by gerdesj on Friday August 17, 2018 @08:57PM (#17786340)
The Public Option has 75% popular support. Medicare-For-All has 59% popular support. [HR] Yet we have neither. Brexit was decided on an embarrassingly close vote: 51.9%

So we have two seemingly popular things that haven't happened and one that has happened but was not so popular (but it turns out that it was more popular than was suspected by anyone beforehand). I'm afraid that is politics. If it helps, I am not a fan of Brexit but will have to live with it anyway.

There is no conspiracy and I don't think that it is fair to accuse your police and government of being arseholes (to put words in your mouth!) Sometimes we simply have to accept that our personal will does not always dovetail with that of the majority - that is how democracy works. To be fair though, there is also nothing wrong with getting a good rant in on HN.

If you feel really strongly about healthcare, why not emigrate to the UK? Our NHS is bloody amazing and only costs: https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance/how-much-you-pay - roughly 12% of your salary. There is a lower band and an upper band so it is not 12% of everything you earn and it also covers unemployment payments and other things.

Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by int_19h on Saturday August 18, 2018 @04:09AM (#17787428)
> Sometimes we simply have to accept that our personal will does not always dovetail with that of the majority - that is how democracy works.

That's true. But said acceptance doesn't need to translate to acceptance of the laws that the misguided majority enacts - you can sabotage those instead, Underground Railroad style.

Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by EvilEndures on Friday August 17, 2018 @10:06PM (#17786525)
> There is no conspiracy and I don't think that it is fair to accuse your police and government of being arseholes (to put words in your mouth!) Sometimes we simply have to accept that our personal will does not always dovetail with that of the majority - that is how democracy works. To be fair though, there is also nothing wrong with getting a good rant in on HN.

You've clearly never dealt with either in the US for a protracted period of time.

Yes, they very much are. Their response to them breaking the law and/or making a mistake is "Fuck off, sue us."

> If you feel really strongly about healthcare, why not emigrate to the UK? Our NHS is bloody amazing and only costs: https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance/how-much-you-pay - roughly 12% of your salary. There is a lower band and an upper band so it is not 12% of everything you earn and it also covers unemployment payments and other things.

A) You are moving the goal posts from the original discussion.

B) I was born here. I'm not leaving just because I don't win every battle.

> Brexit was decided on an embarrassingly close vote: 51.9%

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/russian-influe...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/britains-russia...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/top-brexit-back...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43336351

> The four most recent readings - taken by BMG Research and Survation between November and January - have, on average, once the 8% who said "don't know" are left to one side, put Remain on 52% and Leave on 48%.

Now that it isn't being influenced by an outside party, it is no longer narrowly winning.

To be honest, I don't think people should cry they have a mandate from the people with less than a 55% majority.

Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by gerdesj on Sunday August 19, 2018 @04:34PM (#17796029)
Now that it isn't being influenced by an outside party, it is no longer narrowly winning.

My original point about Brexit being very close still stands and I would suggest that your Remain on 52% and Leave on 48% are still very close given the sheer pain of the separation that has become apparent since the original vote (you try listening to the news here - its bloody boring.) If you had waved say 60% Remain, I might take notice.

Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by EvilEndures on Monday August 20, 2018 @09:50PM (#17806175)
Yeah but your statements are largely irrelevant to what I was saying. A heavily influenced vote with borderline +/-2% isn't what I was discussing.
Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by praneshp on Saturday August 18, 2018 @01:12AM (#17786975)
> To be honest, I don't think people should cry they have a mandate from the people with less than a 55% majority

Can I ask what 55 is? (for instance, in India 66 is a special percentage required for some bills).

Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by EvilEndures on Saturday August 18, 2018 @09:48AM (#17788433)
https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_39,_Supermajo...

It is a bit nuanced but there are several forms of fund raising and such that require a 55% majority to pass.

We have other things that require a 2/3rds majority as well.

Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by praneshp on Saturday August 18, 2018 @01:29PM (#17789533)
Thanks, that's the sort of thing I was looking for.
Re:U.S. government seeks Facebook help to wiretap Messenger by s73v3r_ on Friday August 17, 2018 @09:06PM (#17786370)
"If you feel really strongly about healthcare, why not emigrate to the UK?"

I get paid better over here, and the weather in the UK is shit.