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Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by ModernMech on Thursday August 16, 2018 @11:48AM (#17775685)
> what harm to society is being done by a manager getting paid more than a line employee?

Since you're being downvoted without any responses, I'll try to add my take. To me, it's not that a manager is getting paid more. It's that he's getting paid 312x more when the average worker in America struggling to afford healthcare, an education for their kids, and probably has to take in two salaries just to make ends meet. That's when income inequality is a problem -- when it's so unequal that one side gets everything, and the other is left to a battle royale.

Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by sgslo on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:10PM (#17775886)
Then it appears the issue is stagnant wages, not inequality in pay. Let's say that all pay of big bosses gets capped at 200k across the nation tomorrow. Does that solve any issues with healthcare, education, etc? It seems as though the assumption is that higher pay for bosses comes solely at the expense of line workers. I don't think cutting pay of one party is going to magically increase pay of another party.
Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by aerotwelve on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:39PM (#17776212)
> It seems as though the assumption is that higher pay for bosses comes solely at the expense of line workers.

This assumption comes from evidence in our not-so-distant past. In the 1940s-60s, income was taxed at a much higher rate in the higher brackets (50-80%+ depending on the time); this served a similar function of the executive pay cap in your hypothetical. After the highest earners in a company reached the top brackets, it didn't make much sense for the company to further increase their pay (much of it would be lost to taxes so the ROI wasn't great).

So now you have all this leftover profit that, in 2018, would have went to CEO pay or bonuses. What is there to do with it? Invest in the company of course: give the best performing line-level employees raises, start internal training programs, kickstart moonshot R&D ideas, and so on.

(Unions also helped in ensuring that the rank and file got pay increases commensurate with management's raises)

Don't get me wrong, the highest earners were still very wealthy (and had plenty of yachts/summer homes/other symbols we associate with the 0.1%) and it was common to give them raises every year, but the higher marginal rates really did help in "forcing" profits downward.

Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by philipov on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:20PM (#17775977)
The cause of the issue of stagnant wages is inequality in pay.

"We took all the increased profits, so there's none left for you."

Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by annabellish on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:17PM (#17775941)
Nobody is suggesting there's anything magical here.

We're seeing increasing profits, increasing wages for high level management, and static wages for most employees.

The second isn't an intrinsic issue itself, but we don't have just the second, we have all three, and _that_ is the problem. If profits and wages were both stagnant, then we would be having a different problem, but that isn't the world we live in. We live in the world where profits are going up, and all of it is going to people other than the workers.

Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by aeternus on Thursday August 16, 2018 @05:39PM (#17778626)
This implies a significant arbitrage opportunity for competitors. If workers really are producing the lion-share of the value, then smaller competitors should be able to gain market share by taking the best workers, paying them slightly more than the incumbent companies, and still reap significant profits.
Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by orf on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:15PM (#17775925)
I think it's representative of a disregard for the workers, rather than the absolute value amount
Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by s73v3r_ on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:19PM (#17775962)
"It seems as though the assumption is that higher pay for bosses comes solely at the expense of line workers."

Yeah, it does. Money given to bosses and shareholders is money not available to pay workers.

Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by sgslo on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:34PM (#17776147)
As an example, McDonald's has a net income of of $4.686 billion. The CEO gets paid 21.7 million of that, or 0.4%. That's net income, not revenue, which was $24.6 billion. Let's be honest, the money is there to pay workers more money, and the CEO's pay does not redirect any meaningful amount of that available cash away from employees.

To be clear, my issue is not that workers shouldn't be paid more, it is that justification for higher worker pay shouldn't be "my boss gets paid more than me."

Re:US bosses now earn 312 times the average worker's wage by s73v3r_ on Thursday August 16, 2018 @12:44PM (#17776278)
I think it absolutely should be. They're benefitting from the company doing better (in fact, in many cases, they're benefitting despite the company doing shitty), why should the actual workers doing the actual work not benefit as well?