How air-conditioning created the modern city

Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by gandreani on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @05:14PM (#17761957)

> The US expends more energy on air conditioning, for example, than the whole of Africa does on everything. Then again, it expends even more energy on hot water, which doesn’t get the same rap.

I'd like to know where the author got that information from. I recently thought that a lot of homes (not apartment buildings) could be made energy neutral with a combination of geothermal hvac, solar water heating, and solar panels

The geothermal would help drive up the efficiency of the HVAC systems (considerably), and the solar heating would take care of the second highest energy user in the home. My guess is that with those two options most houses could then handle their other energy needs with a modest 3-5kw solar array and "small" battery bank

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by wlesieutre on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @05:44PM (#17762183)

The Energy Information Administration is the go-to place for that sort of data. Here's their big-picture overview of the US:

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.php?page=electrici...

Residential AC: 1380 billion kWh * 0.158 = 218 billion kWh

Commercial AC: 1350 billion kWh * 0.106 = 143 billion kWh

Industrial data is from 2014 and grouped the heating, ventilation, and cooling together, so we can't break that down from this data.

Totaling residential and commercial is 361 billion kWh in 2017 for the US. I'm not sure about total energy use in Africa.

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by rconti on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @05:33PM (#17762115)

Sure, but even if that's true, new construction homes probably represent a minuscule fraction of the housing stock in the US. Not to mention what minuscule percentage of new construction is built in an energy neutral fashion.

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by nerdponx on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @06:04PM (#17762326)

Then again, new-construction homes are much more efficient. Insulation and window technology is much better than it used to be.

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by Too on Wednesday August 15, 2018 @02:28AM (#17764109)

And replacing all existing houses is not an easy task, compare with the potato paradox posted yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17750480

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by gascan on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @05:34PM (#17762124)

Supposedly photovoltaics are cheap enough thanks to scale that photovoltaic plus electric water heater is more cost effective than solar water heating.

And we can't really call solar panels "energy neutral", whatever they drive is still part of our energy consumption and their electricity could have driven another load.

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by jeffreybezos on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @11:27PM (#17763541)

I find this surprising.

A group of panels, install costs, wiring, an inverter, is less expensive than the alternative?

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by gascan on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:39PM (#17820400)

Volume, baby.

Solar hot water was never trivial either.

And don't forget about electric heat pump water heaters.

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Re:How air-conditioning created the modern city by jdavis703 on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @06:25PM (#17762456)

> I recently thought that a lot of homes (not apartment buildings) could be made energy neutral

My apartment is energy neutral. I purchase only renewable energy sources from my electrical utility.

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