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Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by Spivak on Monday August 13, 2018 @06:47PM (#17754155)
And BitTorrent is a P2P file sharing program but it doesn't suddenly make the verb 'torrenting' mean anything other than piracy.

Kodi is a fantastic piece of software and it's a shame that their brand is being tarnished but c'est la vie when that's the biggest practical use case for your program. There's no sense for anyone other than the XBMC foundation to fight the river on this one.

What I would do if I was the project lead:

- Pick a new name or go back to XBMC since it still has plenty of mindshare.

- Implement a proper store for plug-ins and require signing for them to run a la Firefox.

- Let users sideload plug-ins by running in 'unbranded mode' and aggressively litigate people using your trademark for unlocked devices.

- Partner with manufacturers for an authorized device part of your store.

- Work with content providers to add official apps to your store a la Chromecast.

Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by whalesalad on Monday August 13, 2018 @06:53PM (#17754190)
Your recommendations more-or-less came to fruition as the company Plex.
Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by bubblethink on Monday August 13, 2018 @07:33PM (#17754406)
I find the dichotomy quite interesting. Fundamentally, there aren't too many differences between the two, and yet Plex has no stigma associated with it. It's a pretty limited space to work in. Long term, I don't see how Plex's business model works. Since they don't control the media, they don't really control anything. There's only limited appetite for transcoding software.
Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by Spivak on Monday August 13, 2018 @10:03PM (#17755068)
In my view that's one of it's strengths, they make a good product that is best in class for the their niche. I'm happy they're trying to expand with features rather than some content bid. Plex doesn't have a stigma because you can't use it to actually pirate content.

I don't think Plex will ever be a huge company but you don't need to be in order to succeed.

Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by bubblethink on Monday August 13, 2018 @10:15PM (#17755108)
>best in class for the their niche

I find plex to be quite buggy and opaque. It is tolerable for the few things that it does, but that's mostly because it's a niche, and there isn't that much competition in this space. I don't know how emby is doing these days.

>trying to expand with features

Their expansion efforts are also not that scalable, again because they can't control content. They recently added integration with tuner boxes and dvr, but that whole segment is on its way out. Not to mention, various other issues with the inability to handle DRM and other copyright restrictions that come with cable. They also tried some cloud drive integration, which again didn't pan out, because they don't control the storage. I think they've tried to bundle some news and podcasts, which is marginal at best. In this space, I just don't see how you can make money unless you are selling content, storage or compute. Plex sells none of these. At the end of the day, it's some glue software that probably calls ffmpeg to transcode.

Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by LeoPanthera on Monday August 13, 2018 @08:03PM (#17754601)
Plex relies on a backend server, on your LAN, to work. So you can't sell standalone Plex boxes, or if you did, it would have to include both the server and the client together, and the server requires a reasonably powerful system. A Raspberry Pi wouldn't be good enough.
Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by bubblethink on Monday August 13, 2018 @08:24PM (#17754697)
You can run the server and client on the same box. It's just pointless for that use case, because Kodi can do that better. Plex is useful for transcoding for different clients. Besides, Plex is proprietary and can't be sold without permission. However, the point I was making was that all these things are for watching primarily pirated media, but Plex doesn't have the stigma. Plex was originally a fork of xbmc btw.
Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by Spivak on Monday August 13, 2018 @10:06PM (#17755077)
Plex doesn't have the stigma because you can't use Plex to actually pirate content. You don't really feel a difference between Kodi and it's plugins.
Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by jjeaff on Monday August 13, 2018 @07:34PM (#17754414)
And yet, Plex is still used mainly for watching pirated content.
Re:Facebook Bans Kodi Device Sales by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday August 14, 2018 @03:32AM (#17756130)
> aggressively litigate people using your trademark for unlocked devices.

This requires enormous amounts of time and money that the XBMC foundation doesn't have.