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Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by azhenley on Friday August 10, 2018 @06:10PM (#17737079)
It seems like once a week I see comments like this. This was not my experience at all.

With internships, I made over 60k a year in grad school. I worked on projects of my choice. I did not do a postdoc after graduating. I graduated from a small, unranked department and got a tenure-track position at an R1 university in a top 75 department.

Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by s0rce on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:13PM (#17737574)
I don't know a single person who has gotten a recent (5 years) faculty position without one or more postdocs. I'd say this is extremely uncommon experience. Nor have a seen salaries more than 40k for students, even postdocs don't always make 50k.
Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by azhenley on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:15PM (#17737580)
All of my friends on the market this year from a variety of schools got faculty positions without postdocs. It isn’t uncommon in CS.

My salary as a student wasn’t 40k. My income from my RA position plus my internship was more than 60k.

Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by s0rce on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:52PM (#17737693)
I guess I'm not in CS, maybe thats the difference.
Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by sid-kap on Friday August 10, 2018 @07:47PM (#17737490)
60k per year doing internships? I thought a typical tech internship paid $5-8k/month, which means at most $25k over the summer. (Maybe my number is for undergrads, and grad student interns get paid significantly more?)
Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by azhenley on Friday August 10, 2018 @09:05PM (#17737740)
$6-9k a month for research internships with the ability to extend them beyond 3 months.

It worked out well since I would be doing basically the same research whether I was at the company or at my university.

Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by closed on Friday August 10, 2018 @06:20PM (#17737120)
What field? Even at top tier institutions I've never seen grad students make more than 40k, but I'm thinking of research heavy PhDs, where you continue your research over the summer.

Edits: ah, just saw in your profile it was software engineering!

Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by lazyjeff on Friday August 10, 2018 @07:36PM (#17737452)
I had the same experience as the grandparent, and averaged 70K a year. I had a lot of great opportunities during my Ph.D so I was really fortunate, but I felt that many students I met during internships were serial interns and got fellowships too, so it seemed at the time like most strong PhD students in Computer Science averaged about 60K a year and enjoyed it. Also note that you don't pay FICA (Social Security / Medicare) on your PhD stipend so 25K is like 30K.

I graduated in 5 years into my dream tenure-track job, and 7/8 of the students in my cohort got good tenure-track jobs too (the remaining one went back to running a successful business unrelated to her research). The school I'm at pays $40K/year stipends for PhD students, including the summer; so I think many people only count the 9-month stipend for PhD students which is about 27K, and not the summer salary.

Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by azhenley on Friday August 10, 2018 @06:24PM (#17737141)
I continued my research at companies every summer. Seems fairly common in CS, so you get access to real data/systems and good salaries.
Re:You Cannot Serve Two Masters: The Harms of Dual Affiliation by grigjd3 on Saturday August 11, 2018 @12:01AM (#17738270)
I think this is fairly unique to CS. In physics, I had much the other experience.