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Re:War Without End by roenxi on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:18AM (#17732595)
Crickey. I am onboard with your actual point, but consider painting the picture without such broad strokes. There are something like 320 million Americans, and their culture is an impressive mishmash of every other culture that the world has ever produced, held together by string and elbow grease. Give it a little respect, even if you do want to lay out a little of the realpolitik.

"Not supporting the troops" is a conversation ender up there with accusations of racism and sexism. But the issues there are much more complicated than no-one being interested.

Re:War Without End by mmjaa on Friday August 10, 2018 @08:49AM (#17732754)
I care not a fig for the constitution of a culture which allows the wanton and wilful destruction of civilisation without any recourse, responsibility, or indeed care in the world.

Americans, willing recipients of its treasures, have nevertheless let their military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex run rampant over the worlds "lesser nations" for far too long, and the mechanism by which they fail, as a culture, to take any responsibility for any of it is exactly as you describe.

There is no respect due to a people who allow innocents to be murdered in their name with no recourse, no justice.

Zero respect deserved.

Re:War Without End by BLKNSLVR on Friday August 10, 2018 @09:59AM (#17733282)
There are between zero and very few that would be left to cast the first stone.

I'm definitely not trying to defend the stereotype of the standard wilfully ignorant US citizen, but I think the stereotype would be representative of most cultures who have had enough 'victories' (or been told they've had enough victories) that they feel they're deserving of their prizes.

To rearrange your wording slightly: I care not a fig for the constitution of a species which allows the wanton and wilful destruction of it's sustaining environment without any recourse, responsibility, or indeed care in the world.

Nighty night humanity.

Re:War Without End by mmjaa on Monday August 13, 2018 @06:23AM (#17749125)
Meh, more war justification. "But the other kids are doing it too" does not a morally authoritative position make.
Re:War Without End by BLKNSLVR on Friday August 17, 2018 @12:22AM (#17780271)
If that's what you got from what I said, then I didn't explain myself well enough.

Your replies to other comments indicate, however, that you're more likely to take the inflammatory interpretation. Which I find most ironic given the message you seem to be trying to convey.

Re:War Without End by mmjaa on Friday August 17, 2018 @02:36PM (#17784845)
>There are between zero and very few that would be left to cast the first stone.

The "cast the first stone" rhetoric is a clue that you're not really convincible regarding war and its machinations.

There are plenty of countries who refuse to participate in the wanton destruction of the Middle East and illegal, criminal, unrestrained warfare. America and its allies are, alas, far too addicted to the economies of such to change any time soon. Not soon enough, anyway.

Re:War Without End by zepto on Friday August 10, 2018 @09:49AM (#17733194)
What culture hasn’t allowed for that?
Re:War Without End by mmjaa on Monday August 13, 2018 @06:22AM (#17749123)
The list of countries that are not invading others and destroying their civilisation is pretty long. You should educate yourself about the world.
Re:War Without End by zepto on Wednesday August 15, 2018 @12:00AM (#17763662)
We’re talking about cultures that allow innocents to be murdered in their name.

All cultures allow this. No culture has yet transcended it.

It’s fine not to respect humanity at its current level of development, but nationalism is hardly the solution.

Re:War Without End by mmjaa on Friday August 17, 2018 @02:37PM (#17784853)
America and its allies are wantonly killing innocents in the name of their war economy. This does not make for a strong moral position...