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Re:A PhD should be about improving society, not chasing acad... by ginnungagap on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:33AM (#17724515)
In Europe the norm is to do a Master after a Bachelor, some Master programmes are heavily research oriented and can give you a taste of what's to come if you choose to keep following that path. (I definitely agree with the point you're making, just pointing out that there are different possibilities)
Re:A PhD should be about improving society, not chasing acad... by chess19 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:40AM (#17725131)
Its pretty standard in the US (at least in the fields I am familiar with) that if you quit a PhD program you can still leave with a Master's if you've been in the program for long enough.
Re:A PhD should be about improving society, not chasing acad... by romwell on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:52PM (#17729560)
Not in Texas A&M math department, for example, at least a few years ago.
Re:A PhD should be about improving society, not chasing acad... by mcguire on Thursday August 09, 2018 @09:14PM (#17729946)
It is the literal truth for the CS dept at UT Austin, as of when I was there a 10 or so years ago. They didn't have a real Masters program; the Masters was regarded as a consolation prize when you left the PhD program.

Edit: To be honest, I got in by telling the graduate advisor that I would rather be in a Masters program there than a PhD program elsewhere.