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Re:Handling of U.S. trade dispute causes rift in Chinese lea... by mc32 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:22AM (#17724417)
Maybe so, I don’t know. One thing is sure. Clinton’s and W’s and Obama’s illusion that eventually China would follow the example of free trade some day because that was the supposed natural progression has led to this dispute that had been brewing unattended for decades.
Re:Handling of U.S. trade dispute causes rift in Chinese lea... by anomatopoeia on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:08AM (#17724803)
Xi seems to have overplayed his hand over the past few years. Instead of China quietly amassing power as it had done since the early 90s, Xi pushed China into a much more assertive role before it was necessarily ready.

The US and others had looked the other way on China’s mercantilist actions in the past on a strategic gamble that China would slowly evolve into a more democratic state, with open markets, freedoms and rule of the law. This strategy had worked out well with South Korea and Taiwan as they made their transitions from poor dictatorships to wealthy democracies (and peaceful US allies).

During the reign of Xi’s predecessors this did seem to be a possibility but Xi’s policies and perhaps most importantly his ascension to President for Life ended any illusion that China would make this sort of evolution.

The Made in China 2025 program for example explicitly codifies what many had long assumed - that China is directly targeting the most advanced foreign industries with a state backed industrial policy.

With China moving away from even playing lip service to liberalization and now directly threatening US/European interests with Made in China 2025 and other initiatives, there is no longer any reason for the US to play nice with China.

Frankly if China had simply continued quietly moving forward as they had under Hu and made perhaps some nominal reforms or concessions they probably could’ve continued their plans unabated.

Re:Handling of U.S. trade dispute causes rift in Chinese lea... by throw272109 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:16AM (#17724868)
> ...South Korea and Taiwan as they made their transitions from poor dictatorships to wealthy democracies (and peaceful US allies).

If I'm not mistaken, both these countries became wealthy during the dictatorship period. It was only after the stability and wealth that they become democracies.

Taiwan's first democratic vote was in 1996 and South Korea's first public election was in 1987.

Re:Handling of U.S. trade dispute causes rift in Chinese lea... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:26AM (#17724986)
Yep. They were also basically peaceful US allies at almost their onsets.
Re:Handling of U.S. trade dispute causes rift in Chinese lea... by 394549 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:28AM (#17724999)
> The US and others had looked the other way on China’s mercantilist actions in the past on a strategic gamble that China would slowly evolve into a more democratic state, with open markets, freedoms and rule of the law. This strategy had worked out well with South Korea and Taiwan as they made their transitions from poor dictatorships to wealthy democracies (and peaceful US allies).

One important difference is that both Taiwan and South Korea have been continuously dependent on US military protection from WWII until now.

Re:Handling of U.S. trade dispute causes rift in Chinese lea... by opportune on Thursday August 09, 2018 @01:04PM (#17726052)
I agree with many of your points but I do take issue with one: "during the reign of Xi’s predecessors this did seem to be a possibility but Xi’s policies and perhaps most importantly his ascension to President for Life ended any illusion that China would make this sort of evolution."

It may look like that to us now, but these things have a way of unraveling themselves faster than we expect. Xi is 65 and it's unlikely he'll try to hold on to power for more than the next 15 years. China's GDP/capita is currently right around where SK and Taiwan's were when they switched to democracy. And SK, Taiwan, and Japan all have tried, in many ways succeeding, to have their own advanced industries - it didn't spell the end of the world when they did so.

Dictatorships often crumble suddenly, and China is still on the approach of the trajectory that SK and Taiwan followed. For that reason I think it would be silly to write off China just yet.