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Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by cs02rm0 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @07:39AM (#17714990)
That seems a fairly reasonable fine to me - if the speeder has "annual income of more than $820,000 and is worth well over $20 million" then why shouldn't he pay more?

Because his income isn't anything to do with the offence.

Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by arethuza on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @07:43AM (#17715008)
But the goal is presumably to try and persuade him not to speed again?
Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by cs02rm0 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @07:46AM (#17715028)
The goal should be to persuade everyone not to speed in the first place.
Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by PostOnce on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @09:44AM (#17715857)
you keep talking in dollars and not hours

if the fine is "one week of income" and you don't want to lose a week then you won't speed

if a speeding ticket was 5 cents everyone would speed every day... and this is the status quo for the rich since the fine is to their income what five cents is to most others

so we fine people enough that it affects them in a proportionate way to make the likelihood of changing their behavior equal, rather than only changing the behavior of the poor

Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by cs02rm0 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @12:25PM (#17717214)
Dollars is roughly proportional to hours for the guy at the bottom of income levels. I'm not sure it is for people at the top, choosing which assets to liquidate in which year.
Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by bdhess on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @09:16AM (#17715631)
How do you persuade “everyone” when the primary deterrent is a fixed fine that doesn’t scale relative to lifestyle?
Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by cs02rm0 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @12:23PM (#17717200)
So now we're not looking at fines in relation to income but lifestyle?

I just think you cannot scale fines in relation to income/lifestyle/anything else financially. You can scale it, but you can't hit people with different incomes, assets, etc. in the same fashion, which ultimately smells of a bad system to me.

Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by arethuza on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @12:31PM (#17717261)
So what would you recommend?
Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by cs02rm0 on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @01:32PM (#17717724)
Anything else.

The points system seems sufficent to me for most driving offences, beyond costs. But community service, prison time, curfews, anything which is equivalent and not open to manipulation.

Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by arethuza on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @04:20PM (#17719096)
I wonder of all of the options what the speeder would have chosen - I suspect he would pay the money and move on.
Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by genericid on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @08:35AM (#17715347)
How would that even make a difference?
Re:Bail has become a way to lock up the poor regardless of g... by nafey on Wednesday August 08, 2018 @10:24AM (#17716204)
This statement does not support the argument that you were making in the first place