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Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by amluto on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @04:46PM (#17710636)
I wonder if a less efficient desalination plant would be cheaper. The modern efficient plants use RO with pressure exchangers, I think. Maybe a flash distillation plant or an RO plant without pressure exchangers would be economical to operate intermittently.

But desalination may be a poor example in general. It’s not actually very energy intensive, at least compared to the value of potable water in an urban location.

Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by CompelTechnic on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @06:16PM (#17711370)
Yeah, if I was gonna build a desalination plant built to use <$0 cost electricity, I would essentially build a giant (distillation) still. I'm not a process expert in flash desalination, but it looks similar to (maybe identical to) a still.

Just a big resistor in a big tank (or pond), a big fume hood and coil to another tank. Capital cost can probably be minimized a whole lot.

Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by nkurz on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @07:14PM (#17711781)
Seeing as "boiling the ocean" is the standard business phrase used to dismiss an overly ambitious and likely impossible to execute plan [1], there would be something beautifully ironic about a startup whose explicit goal is to solve a real world problem by literally boiling the ocean.

[1] http://workingwithmckinsey.blogspot.com/2013/11/Avoid-Boilin...

Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by bufferoverflow on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @06:34PM (#17711509)
You can use sun light directly for that. Just paint your boiler black, maybe concentrate some sunlight with cheap mirrors.
Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by nine_k on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @06:45PM (#17711595)
This works well when you have a lot of sun. Instead you might have a lot of wind.

Also, you only want to run the desalination plant when the electricity price is too low ("below zero" with the transmission included), so you want generators for most of the time, when you actually sell the power.

Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by hogwild on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @06:41PM (#17711558)
Yea but not at night.
Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by imtringued on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @08:08PM (#17712094)
The entire point of this discussion is to figure out how to use electricity only during the day.
Re:Power Worth Less Than Zero Spreads as Green Energy Floods... by salty_biscuits on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @09:20PM (#17712447)
Even for RO the big expenses are running the pumps and fouling of the membrane, caused by high concentration of salt due to the high pressure used. If you weren't worried about throughput they last a very long time. You could use cheap electricity to pump water to a reservoir and use gravity as the pump for cheap RO. It isn't any different from any other source of off grid storage.