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Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by unit91 on Monday August 06, 2018 @10:29AM (#17697850)
Sure, by the private individual. The problem is many things that were major moments in world history didn't pass the ruling-class's "minimum legitimacy requirement" at the time. Top-of-my-head examples: the Magna Carta, the Protestant Reformation, Indian Independence, anybody else's independence, Snowden, etc.
Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by pjc50 on Monday August 06, 2018 @10:35AM (#17697912)
The Magna Carta is literally an agreement among the ruling class.

By "legitimacy" I don't mean that people agree with the conclusion being expressed, but that people agree it's at least an attempt at a structured argument based on actual facts. The 95 Theses were complaints against real injustices, not a set of fabricated smears.

Colonial independences generally were discussable - and discussed - at the time and in advance of their happening.

Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by unit91 on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:03AM (#17698178)
> The Magna Carta is literally an agreement among the ruling class.

Not in the way you're thinking. This is at the time when the King had absolute or near absolute authority. King John was the ruling class. While it was the English nobility that opposed the king, they did so (1) at great risk to their own safety, and (2) as the only ones in a position to do so. Certainly no serf could have accomplished this -- they would have been killed.

Second sentence of the (excellent) Wikipedia article about it:

> First drafted by the Archbishop of Canterbury to make peace between the unpopular King and a group of rebel barons, it promised the protection of church rights, protection for the barons from illegal imprisonment, access to swift justice, and limitations on feudal payments to the Crown, to be implemented through a council of 25 barons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by takluyver on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:44AM (#17698620)
> the King had absolute or near absolute authority. King John was the ruling class.

In theory, perhaps. But the barons could and did challenge the King with a degree of success. The king did not have a practical monopoly on the use of force. So the description of Magna Carta as an 'agreement among the ruling class' seems reasonable.

Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by mistermann on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:18AM (#17698335)
> but that people agree it's at least an attempt at a structured argument based on actual facts

This is far easier said than done. Just for starters, which "people" get to decide, and that's not even getting into the messy details at analyzing any arguments or facts.

Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by 2020-3030 on Monday August 06, 2018 @12:51PM (#17699333)
We know who gets to decide - the owners of the communications platform and those who influence them. If Apple wanted to be more inclusive in the decision making, they could choose to do so.
Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by mistermann on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @03:34PM (#17709829)
More precisely:

We know who gets to decide - the owners of the communications platform and those who influence them, under current democratic legislation, which is completely subject to change according to the will of the citizens of a democratic country.

It's interesting how easy it is to observe stereotypical right-wing pedantically technical justification behaviors be adopted by the left (feel free to correct me if my assumption is wrong) as the topic of specific discussion moves around various dimensions of reality.

Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by tobylane on Monday August 06, 2018 @10:36AM (#17697927)
What is the major moment in this Infowars topic?
Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by unit91 on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:07AM (#17698230)
Step back and see the bigger picture. I think most of us think Infowars is a weird nuisance. But I was responding to the claim that political opinion should have to meet a pre-approved "minimum legitimacy requirement". If this is normalized, no other, actually important issue will be able to gain traction.
Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by travmatt on Monday August 06, 2018 @02:37PM (#17700278)
It’s either the targeted harassment campaigns against parents who’ve lost children, or the attempts to push the idea that liberals are planning a civil war and they need to be violently resisted. It may sound like he’s trying to incite violence but that’s just because you haven’t stepped back and appreciated the larger picture.
Re:Apple Removes Infowars from Podcast Directory by stuckinarut on Monday August 06, 2018 @07:11PM (#17702576)
and yet all those things happened, in many cases without having to extend free speech to insane degrees.