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Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by RyanRies on Sunday August 05, 2018 @03:55PM (#17693167)
If you're a professional or part of a professional organization, this is a small hurdle to clear and most would agree that the increased security posture for the end user is worth the inconvenience/price for developers.

If you're an amateur/hobbyist/tinkerer and just want to play with kernel driver development, then you can disable the signing enforcement.

Anyway I'm sorry for derailing from the actual point of this post - it's a very cool project!

Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by vetinari on Sunday August 05, 2018 @04:05PM (#17693223)
Professional organization vs hobbyist is a false dichotomy. We have entire operating systems that would be classified as made by hobbyists, yet are used by "serious organizations".

It also means, that we will not get some nice things, we would otherwise have. See also iSCSI initiator or FUSE for macOS. They have same problem - need to be signed by the right certificate, so nobody bothered.

Other systems, when they are running in Secure Boot mode, also accept kernel modules signed by the same keys, that are enrolled into UEFI. Why can't Windows and Mac do the same?

Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by TomMarius on Sunday August 05, 2018 @04:24PM (#17693344)
> We have entire operating systems that would be classified as made by hobbyists, yet are used by "serious organizations".

Which ones? Linux certainly isn't made by hobbyists today. It used to be, but that was a very long time ago.

Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by Retric on Sunday August 05, 2018 @08:24PM (#17694349)
Why Windows of course. ba dum tish
Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by userbinator on Sunday August 05, 2018 @04:15PM (#17693291)
Why can't Windows and Mac do the same?

Because of corporate control.

Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by 0x0 on Sunday August 05, 2018 @06:10PM (#17693821)
Fuse for macOS is signed by its developer, not sure what you mean "not get some nice things"? Or did you mean for windows? (Both windows and macOS require paid developer certificates to load kernel drivers)
Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by vetinari on Monday August 06, 2018 @04:58AM (#17696087)
I meant both.

I wasn't aware that FUSE for Mac is signed nowadays. When I was checking it few years ago, it was an issue.

The iSCSI terminator for Mac still has the same issue. The code is on github, making it work is the user problem.

Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by megous on Monday August 06, 2018 @12:02AM (#17695026)
> Anyway I'm sorry for derailing from the actual point of this post - it's a very cool project!

Yeah cool project, yet if you'll read the issues on github, you might realize, that at some point no one will be able to use it hassle free, when the author stops renewing a code signing certificate. And for a hobby project, I wouldn't blame him. Some people can't use it hassle free now, because of signing issues.

I ceratinly can't install it on my gf's notebook, so that she can play audio over my speakers, because it would stop working after each reboot.

Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by eropple on Monday August 06, 2018 @12:26AM (#17695096)
That's not how it works at all--I run unsigned drivers on some of my machines all the time because occasionally user-hacked drivers work better with this or that video capture device. You have to reboot to install an unsigned driver; it works just fine afterwards.
Re:Scream – virtual network sound card for Windows by megous on Thursday August 16, 2018 @10:59AM (#17775175)
I'll try, then. Thanks.