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Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by mettamage on Friday August 03, 2018 @12:19PM (#17681101)
This might be a bit of an insensitive comment, but alas so be it (not living up to my nickname unfortunately). I'm too used to this discussion in my own country and have little sympathy for the other side because in The Netherlands they have been wrong for 70 years now. The "we are getting too full comments" come from emotions, not from facts and I have the prejudiced feeling that in Australia it isn't any different.

Australian planologists should talk to Dutch planologists, and it'll be fine. I am culturally biased but I think it will become a problem once they reach about 200 to 250 million. The Netherlands as well: it can still grow a huge bit before it will hit a ceiling. Yes, it'll get more crammed, it just means you have to organize yourself better as a nation. But my point: if the Dutch can live in a crammed space, so can the Australians.

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by schoen on Friday August 03, 2018 @12:37PM (#17681303)
> Australian planologists should talk to Dutch planologists, and it'll be fine

By the way, in English planologie is called "city planning" or "urban planning" and a planoloog is an "urban planner" or "city planner". We don't really have the terms planology and planologist (although they sound pretty awesome!).

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by mettamage on Friday August 03, 2018 @01:49PM (#17681905)
Haha, you caught me! I was too lazy to do a dictionary check on the internet and found it fun to assume the word existed.
Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday August 03, 2018 @05:06PM (#17683618)
To be fair though, in English the suffix '-ology' means a subject of study; a branch of knowledge, and English is fine with portmanteaus.

Words mean what people use them to mean. Dictionaries are only, and can only be, historical records.

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by jl2718 on Friday August 03, 2018 @02:13PM (#17682131)
It’s not so much insensitive as much as completely devoid of facts, observations, or relevant experience. Somebody says that they have a problem. You have zero experience with the problem, and tell them that they are wrong. Thanks for the contribution.
Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by rb808 on Friday August 03, 2018 @02:27PM (#17682299)
https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...

Aus population has grown much more quickly than The Netherlands, even if it isn't full yet.

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by antt on Friday August 03, 2018 @06:27PM (#17684128)
Give us the fresh water per acre the Dutch have and Australia would have been a second US in the 20th century already.

250 million. There's more to how many people a country can support than what you can see on a map. That's as ignorant as looking at Antarctica and saying "Yes, they can support 200 million people there, just look at the Netherlands."

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by IForgotUsername on Friday August 03, 2018 @01:05PM (#17681526)
I do still think it's worthwhile for us to have the conversation about growth rate regardless of what we could handle in the long run.

The only issue is that this conversation keeps getting derailed by racists so I just stay away completely :(

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by supernovae on Friday August 03, 2018 @01:36PM (#17681791)
I agree... its absurd to continually just grow grow grow without looking back to see if we're losing what makes us humans in the process.

We're getting so stuffed in the USA that national parks are starting to limit visitors and close gates at capacity - that for me alone is signal that a) we should take a serious look at our population b) we should do more to preserve and open more public lands for this growing population.

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by klipt on Friday August 03, 2018 @02:03PM (#17682035)
I suspect national park attendance: https://irma.nps.gov/Stats/SSRSReports/Park%20Specific%20Rep...

has grown much faster than population, due to heavy advertising by national parks and a general increased awareness of visiting national parks as a "thing to do" on vacation rather than e.g. going to Disney Land.

Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by astura on Friday August 03, 2018 @06:24PM (#17684107)
And National Parks are an incredibly popular destination for foreign visitors https://www.ustravel.org/press/study-more-overseas-visitors-...
Re:Angst Swells as Australian Population Nears 25M by mettamage on Friday August 03, 2018 @01:50PM (#17681918)
> I do still think it's worthwhile for us to have the conversation about growth rate regardless of what we could handle in the long run.

Of course, good to point out. I would call this a scientific discussion. Not that we necessarily only need to have this conversation on scientific conferences and the like but keeping it scientific as much as possible is the extent to which such a discussion is useful, in my opinion.