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Re:You don’t need standups by chomp on Thursday August 02, 2018 @03:43PM (#17674812)
I think that's either a team culture issue, a management issue, or a business culture issue. Teams I've worked on have had no issue brainstorming ideas for a person who's stumped.

Now, I'm not totally defending standups here, I've been on teams where daily standups are a stuffy formality, and they are miserable. I've also had the pleasure of being on teams where weekly standups were implemented, and they were an absolute delight and completely useful.

I will qualify all of my opinions with the fact that the best teams I've worked with implement Kanban, so there is no sprint planning. We just pull off backlog and work with weekly standups. There's way way less overhead, with some tradeoffs.

I also definitely think that certain team cultures are completely incompatible with standups, to the point that you receive negative benefit from implementing them. If you have a lot of people who are of the type "my responsibility ends where my story points end", I am pretty sure you will end up have a bad time doing standups.

Re:You don’t need standups by hrktb on Thursday August 02, 2018 @03:58PM (#17674941)
In some previous team, I realized that some people working on very long tasks just gave bullshit updates. What they explained was interesting, it gave a sense of progress, and they communicated well.

Too well perhaps, their small talk was on super minor or even unrelated stuff that they saw the previous day.

They were doing mainly exploratory work, and it made no sense to bring on board other people before they settled on a direction themselves.

I think ultimately a one size fits them all approach only “works” when the people on the fringe also play the game and bullshit (in a good light) their way around.

Re:You don’t need standups by still_grokking on Thursday August 02, 2018 @07:10PM (#17676207)
It's a good idea to waste valuable engineering time with "bullshit" (in a good light) small talk? OK…

I likely will never understand the great minds behind management.

Re:You don’t need standups by jrumbut on Friday August 03, 2018 @12:09AM (#17677226)
It's a trade off. Some of the communication is very valuable, and needs to happen for coordination, knowledge sharing, etc. The potential harm of that communication not happening is great, the risk of having a meeting go 15 minutes longer is worth trying to avoid (hence the article) but much smaller.

However, if only some people speak that can create divisions in the team, or make it look like the speakers are the leading members when that may or may not be true. So to prevent that dynamic everyone says something, and people can help the team function better by coming up with a nifty one minute oration.

Ultimately making software is a human endeavor. Sometimes a little small talk prevents the humans from feeling bad and not making software. Sometimes it has the opposite effect.

The best managers figure out which case is true at a specific time and place and adapt. Good managers just have to pick what risks to take and live with the outcome.

Re:You don’t need standups by lttlrck on Thursday August 02, 2018 @03:56PM (#17674926)
Are stand up meetings the correct venue for brainstorming?
Re:You don’t need standups by maccam94 on Thursday August 02, 2018 @06:31PM (#17676019)
No, but they can spur an interested subset of people to brainstorm after the standup ends.
Re:You don’t need standups by chomp on Thursday August 02, 2018 @04:23PM (#17675146)
Maybe not, but if your peer said "hey can someone help me with this task" in a standup, wouldn't you want to help them once the meeting is over?
Re:You don’t need standups by kelnos on Thursday August 02, 2018 @05:17PM (#17675565)
Replace that with asking for help in slack or whatever, and you don't need a standup. And you also get help as soon as people's time is available, not the next day.
Re:You don’t need standups by Scarblac on Friday August 03, 2018 @05:18PM (#17683707)
But then you'd need people to listen to some slack channel, and be distracted continuously throughout the day. That's worse.
Re:You don’t need standups by voltagex_ on Friday August 03, 2018 @01:47AM (#17677538)
I've found that asking for help over text or the phone is less effective than asking in person.
Re:You don’t need standups by bitwize on Friday August 03, 2018 @10:08AM (#17679943)
No, those are things you want to take "offline" or "to the parking lot".