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Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by mhneu on Thursday August 02, 2018 @10:45AM (#17671822)
YES. Security compromise is the huge achilles heel of self-driving cars - and anything that is algorithmically controlled.

When you have 100,000 self-driving cars on the road, and someone figures out how to hack them, and drive them simultaneously into crowds, that will be a BIG BIG problem.

And this problem isn't just about self-driving cars. It is a fundamental issue with all algorithms. It's a lot harder to hack humans to do bad things (although it can be done with sustained messaging and propaganda). But algorithms can be compromised and exploited.

Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by TeMPOraL on Thursday August 02, 2018 @11:02AM (#17671972)
> It's a lot harder to hack humans to do bad things

I'd say, it's probably easier to hack individual humans, but - like everything in computing - hacking algorithms scales well, while human factors generally don't.

Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by mhneu on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:47PM (#17672967)
A thoughtful point.
Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by Shivetya on Thursday August 02, 2018 @11:16AM (#17672088)
Let us not also forget, we also want to prevent governments from having the ability to shut down them down as well. While there may be a need to disable a car in a chase or such I am against the idea of wholesale shutting down a highway full of cars or similar scenarios.
Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by 27182818284 on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:15PM (#17672632)
Has a flight ever been brought down through a cyberattack? I've heard a lot of concern over that over the years, but (thank goodness) I don't recall any news of an actual flight being brought down.
Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by 3pt14159 on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:36PM (#17673531)
There are multiple safeguards for planes that don't work for self-driving cars.

First, they're not physically inspectable by every Tom, Dick, and Harry. This means it's easier to obscure interfaces and other potential areas of attack. Not state-actor proof, but probably ISIS-proof. Second, they only get software updates while parked at an airport, so it makes MITM attacks harder (though not impossible). Third, they're in the air where death isn't a sudden movement away. Pilots can override the system and fly it manually. Fourth, they're heavily monitored with errant flightpaths reported to militaries around the world (to stop another 9/11).

We have none of these safeguards for self-driving cars and there are going to be hundreds of millions of them.

Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by gamblor956 on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:50PM (#17673002)
Pilots have the ability to manually disengage airplane autopilots, and more importantly the time to do so (on the order of minutes). It's very different in a car, where the difference between life and death can be a split-second reaction.
Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by tjoff on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:45PM (#17672938)
It has already been demonstrated non-self-driving cars.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33650491

Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by goodmachine on Thursday August 02, 2018 @02:43PM (#17674247)
Not in-flight as far as we know, but a Boeing 757 was hacked in a proof of concept attack on the tarmac quite recently

https://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/3020901/dhs-team-manage...

Re:Tesla is building its own AI chips for self-driving cars by mrguyorama on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:07PM (#17673200)
The difference is the massive amounts of regulations concerning flight systems.