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Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by iainmerrick on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @05:55PM (#17667389)
Tangential question: why do people prefer sedans over hatchbacks?

Hatchbacks seem a lot more practical than sedans with no obvious downside. I can see people preferring the looks of one or the other, but neither is objectively prettier.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by javagram on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:02PM (#17667466)
Sedans are a bit easier to cool/warm due to less air volume. The trunk also feels more secure for storage of valuables than leaving them exposed in a glass hatchback’s rear. Style and price also play into it I think but even cheap hatchbacks like the Ford Fiesta don’t sell that well in the US.

In general people looking for a practical car in the US are often buying a crossover, SUV, or pickup truck.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by iainmerrick on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:08PM (#17667514)
Hmm, those are interesting points, although it seems like both can be addressed with a simple cover over the trunk.

I think you’re right that SUVs and crossovers are taking over, from both sedans and traditional hatchbacks.

It must just be fashion, as SUVs don’t have any real advantage -- most people never do any off-roading or haul large sports equipment, and most “SUVs” wouldn’t be up to the job anyway.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by olentangy on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:51PM (#17667795)
SUVs sit up higher. This makes them easier to get into and out of.

SUVs are basically hatchbacks. I currently own a hatchback (GTI) and our old SUV was easier to get into and out of. The GTI is more fun to drive though.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by ghaff on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:07PM (#17667504)
On the rational side (in addition to aesthetics, preference, etc.). There's also aesthetics and probably a general feel that a sedan is a more serious adult car.)

Some people prefer a separate locked trunk.

In addition, small hatchbacks often tend to be designed as 2-seaters with a vestigal back seat as a way to maximize the use of the hatchback for cargo. As you get bigger you get something more like an Outback wagon or (increasingly) a crossover of some sort.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by tormeh on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:06PM (#17667497)
Sedans are aerodynamic. Hatchbacks can fit more luggage.

A hatchback is the responsible choice for for a family car, and therefore boring by association.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by chipotle_coyote on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:11PM (#17667545)
The Volkswagen GTI and Golf R would like a word with you.
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by rconti on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:19PM (#17667592)
Just sold my R 2 weeks ago and picked up a 3. :) Both fantastic cars in their own right.
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by gnicholas on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:28PM (#17667656)
Is a "3" a Tesla Model 3, or something else? I recently saw someone refer to this vehicle as an "M3", which was pretty confusing given the BMW vehicle that goes by this name.

I realize this thread is about Teslas, but still folks are referring to non-Teslas here as well.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by rconti on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @07:43PM (#17668076)
Yes, sorry, it's the Tesla version. I was trying to be more clear, not less clear. I have owned an actual M3 and I hate people calling Mazdas and Teslas "M3"s. I was tossing around the idea of making "T3" a thing, though, as I don't think it'll confuse others in the car world.
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by gnicholas on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:03AM (#17669332)
or "TM3"? There could conceivably be other Tesla models with 3 in the name, like versions of the Roadster or X (though we'll be in real naming trouble if Tesla releases an "X3"!)
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by sizzle on Thursday August 02, 2018 @03:48PM (#17674858)
I like T3! What acronym would you give their new roadster?
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by sizzle on Thursday August 02, 2018 @03:17AM (#17669739)
Weird, usually I hear "M" denoting a bmw M3. If I heard 3, and it's a bmw car enthusiast then I'm thinking 335i.

Maybe 3 will (hopefully) become associated with Tesla in the future and not BMW 3 series cause they are a dime a dozen in major metro areas.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by awaythrowit on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:10PM (#17667528)
Perhaps hatchback is seen as teenager's or poor person's car
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by ghaff on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @07:05PM (#17667872)
No but true hatchbacks like Honda’s tend to be fairly small and the general image they’re going for is young, active people.
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by acover on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @05:58PM (#17667417)
Hatchbacks cost more
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by iainmerrick on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:14PM (#17667565)
I was going to say you’re wrong, but apparently in the US you’re right! Very strange.

I think that is a US-specific thing.

For some reason US customers prefer sedans (maybe some of the reasons given by other commenters) and that has probably skewed the market a bit (e.g. hatchbacks are only sold at higher trim levels since they’re marketed as a niche product).

Edit to add: and maybe there’s a feedback effect too? Hatchbacks are more expensive because they’re less popular, so then they’re less popular because they’re more expensive.

Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by gnicholas on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @07:12PM (#17667906)
I think you're right about the feedback effect. Imagine the tooling needed to make all the parts, and then spreading that tooling cost across either 10x vehicles or 30x vehicles. Lower-volume vehicles are more expensive, all things equal.
Re:Tesla Second Quarter 2018 Update by com2kid on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @06:36PM (#17667702)
> I was going to say you’re wrong, but apparently in the US you’re right! Very strange.

Depends on brand. Kia charges the same either way.