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Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by nugget on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:15PM (#17656141)
>The only thing they really stand to lose by banning blatant conspiracy theory whack jobs and divisive hate speech is some ad revenue associated with that stuff

Facebook is at or near monopoly status and as such the largest risk to their business is regulation. That's why this is such a sensitive issue for them.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by themagician on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:17PM (#17656155)
No they aren't. Monopoly status for what? It's just a shitty website. Take a step back and think about what Facebook is. It's no different than the forums of old. It's the same recycled technology with a new interface.

For a while you might have said that they were approaching some kind of weird monopoly status because you had to use FB to login to third party sites/services, but that didn't last long.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by packet_nerd on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:31PM (#17656292)
There are developing countries where FB is so much a monopoly that huge percentages of people don't even know that anything else exists on the Internet. To them, FB is the Internet.

But anyway, that's an argument for encouraging competition and computer literacy, not for or against free speech.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by ucaetano on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:18PM (#17656715)
You didn't answer the parent's question: monopoly on what?
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by themagician on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:38PM (#17656356)
It's actually reversed. People in developing countries are actually more savvy in many ways, as they entered into the Internet during an era where there was no Facebook or Facebook wasn't the dominate player. It's really only in the US where people are so illiterate that FB is a primary destination. But that doesn't make it a monopoly.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by e40 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:50PM (#17656988)
Not from what I've read. There are literally places in the developing world where FB fake news has caused the death of people. This example was from Asia. I don't remember the country, but it was news a few months ago.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by Kliment on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @05:15PM (#17657218)
You're probably thinking of Myanmar https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43385677
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by caf on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @08:44PM (#17658674)
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by packet_nerd on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:53PM (#17656486)
I'm sure different countries are different. Myanmar is the one I'm familiar with and FB is definitely a monopoly there.

This site gives FB 88.11% currently. Interesting that its trending down slightly:

http://gs.statcounter.com/social-media-stats/all/myanmar

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by duderific on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:32PM (#17656823)
OK, so, a monopoly on social media. But so what? You don't HAVE to use social media. It's not like having a monopoly on energy, banking or telecommunications, for example, where you can really put people over a barrel.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by genericid on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @08:01PM (#17658442)
You don't HAVE to use energy, banking or telecommunications either. It's not like having a monopoly on food or water. The line you drew here is completely arbitary.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by rhizome on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:13PM (#17656658)
Without anything [obvious] to indicate what is wrapped up in "Other," that would seem to be a ranking of US-based, primarily-English language sites.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by yorwba on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:33PM (#17658271)
What makes you think the social media landscape of almost any country in the world isn't dominated by US-based services? They only need to provide a localized version to get into a market, which they then end up dominating through international network effects.

The only country I'm aware of where domestic services are dominant is China, and the statcounter data does reflect that. They are conspicuously missing WeChat and QQ, though (which are messaging applications and probably hard to track for a third party), so maybe there's some local service in Myanmar that similarly falls through the cracks.

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by themagician on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:42PM (#17658325)
Fake news.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by ucaetano on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:18PM (#17656709)
> Facebook is at or near monopoly status

Monopoly status for what?

Ads? No.

Online ads? No.

Communication amongst friends? No.

Reading news? No.

They have a monopoly on what?

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by themagician on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:36PM (#17656856)
Misused image macros and pyramid schemes.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by ucaetano on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:44PM (#17656931)
> pyramid schemes.

What? Did Herbalife and Amway went out of business and nobody told me so I could celebrate?

Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by SimbaOnSteroids on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:17PM (#17658168)
Pyramid scheme incubator
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by bvc35 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @04:42PM (#17656900)
I think they have a monopoly on social media.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by colejohnson66 on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @05:01PM (#17657083)
Except they don’t? Twitter is pretty big too. Facebook is just the biggest player.
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by nailer on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @04:55AM (#17660721)
Twitter is an order of magnitude smaller than FB
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by ucaetano on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @05:26PM (#17657336)
And that's before you even get into the issue of defining the market (a necessary step for any analysis of monopoly power): what is social media?
Re:Removing Bad Actors on Facebook by civilitty on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:23PM (#17656215)
If they are an actual monopoly, their biggest risk is not being involved in writing those regulations. Eventually the public will force legislators to act and they're not know for taking measured responses once the public outrage reaches a certain threshold. That's why telecom companies like Comcast are so successful at forming local/regional monopolies - they have relationships with people from the city planners up to mayors and governors so whenever new regulations are written, they're very involved.