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Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by jcranmer on Monday July 30, 2018 @05:34PM (#17648265)
Short answer: no.

Long answer: The effect of volcanic eruptions on climate is somewhat overblown in popular culture. In recorded history, we only have a handful of VEI7 eruptions, and only one within the range of well-recorded history (that one being Tambora). Tambora is known to have been followed by a particularly severe summer, but it was also concurrent with climatic minimums due to the "Little Ice Age" and the solar cycle. Some other VEI7 eruptions are known, but it's highly speculative how severe any sort of climatic was response, both locally and globally.

A supervolcano would be a VEI8 eruption. There are two known VEI8 eruptions in the history of humanity, both well before recorded history. People have claimed that one of these, the Lake Toba eruption, is responsible for a severe bottleneck in human population, but work has shown that a) global ash distribution is identifiable, b) wildlife populations don't seem to have been too affected, and c) even relatively close populations don't seem to have collapsed.

In other words, the largest eruption in the climatic record was incapable of producing an extinction-level event. A Yellowstone caldera eruption wouldn't be all that much larger. For anyone in the ash cloud, it would be problematic for the short term, but that's a relatively short term issue (1-2 years). More serious would be the loss of productive farmland in the US for perhaps a decade or so, but that wouldn't be anywhere near extinction-level for humanity.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by stouset on Monday July 30, 2018 @06:26PM (#17648724)
> More serious would be the loss of productive farmland in the US for perhaps a decade or so, but that wouldn't be anywhere near extinction-level for humanity.

I'm not sure about that. Maybe not on the surface, but I could easily see a 40% drop in U.S. agricultural output (number made up) causing massive global turmoil, even potentially leading up to a world war.

Our world is so interconnected that a strong enough shock in one area can arguably start a runaway positive-feedback loop of destruction.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by jcranmer on Monday July 30, 2018 @07:43PM (#17649276)
If you were to say that Yellowstone erupting leads to World War III, well, I wouldn't argue that it's implausible. But, similarly, world wars are not extinction-level events. Nuclear weapons can't cause extinction: nuclear winter is basically volcanic winter with a much less effective stratospheric pump (a VEI6 eruption, such as Krakatoa, pushes at least 1km³ of rock into the air; a VEI8 eruption, like Yellowstone, is 100× that). There's a hard cap on the proportion of your population you can mobilize to front-line troops, and while it is possible for one side's losses to exceed this fraction, on a global scale, only 60% or so of the population can be killed in a war, a far cry from the 99.9999% you'd need to kill to effect extinction.

It's certainly possible for an astonishingly large proportion of the population to perish, but extinction requires extermination to be nearly complete.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by stouset on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @02:59PM (#17656011)
I think your expectations are overly optimistic. Perhaps it wouldn't be 99.9999%, but in the event of global nuclear war, supply chains for virtually everything (including food) will come to a complete halt. People in cities will be utterly screwed when fuel and food run out.

People in farmland might not be that much better off. Masses of starving, potentially-armed people searching for food will not necessarily be the most respectful of people's property rights. We can expect animal wildlife populations to plummet as they're killed for food, and agricultural output to drop precipitously as supply chains for fuel, fertilizer, and non-terminator-gene seeds go to zero, not to mention as it becomes exceedingly difficult to protect large patches of farmland from raids.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by dogecoinbase on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:45AM (#17650816)
We have exhausted enough of the easily-accessible resources close to the Earth's surface that all it takes is a sufficient dip in technology, and we enter a rut which we can never get back out of.
Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by everdev on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:10AM (#17650681)
> only 60% or so of the population can be killed in a war

Why? I'd assume that biological warfare could do more, or destroying water/power supplies.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by bodas on Monday July 30, 2018 @06:56PM (#17648957)
That's reasonable but even in a world war, you need only put people on nuclear submarines to protect humanity from extinction. Martian colonies are not necessary.
Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by stouset on Monday July 30, 2018 @07:40PM (#17649254)
I think at the point where you're talking about saving fewer than hundreds of thousands of people out of billions (<= 0.01%), it's functionally an extinction-level event for humanity.
Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by everdev on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @01:12AM (#17650691)
Extinction = 0.

Species can recover even from only a few mating pairs.

It would be catastrophic though.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by stouset on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:06PM (#17656072)
Only in the most pointlessly absolute of interpretations.

Ten might as well be zero. 50 people (25 pairs) is necessary with complete control of breeding in order to have sustainable genetic diversity. Without complete control, hundreds are necessary in any given pocket of civilization.

Even if there were tens of millions of humans remaining, there is virtually zero chance of meaningful recovery since all of the low-hanging fruit of industrial-age energy resources have been mined.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by everdev on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @07:35PM (#17658292)
Depends on your horizon, but if you look at how fast humanity progressed in 2,000 or even 500 years, I think a recovery from a million+ people in a few thousand years is very realistic, especially if knowledge is adequately recovered through books.
Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by dotancohen on Thursday August 02, 2018 @08:37AM (#17670963)
Only up until the technical level of the industrial revolution. Getting past that would require easy access to an easy to use energy source, i.e. fossil fuels. None of which are left. Today we dig kilometers under the seabed to access energy. A society just entering the industrial revolution will have not the knowledge, tools, or materials to do that.
Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by marcosdumay on Monday July 30, 2018 @08:30PM (#17649558)
Just try to invent some runaway positive-feedback loop of destruction that could make Earth less inhabitable than Mars. I bet you can't. I can't.

You can add the entire nuclear arsenal, super volcanos, meteors, gamma ray burst at will.

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by topmonk on Monday July 30, 2018 @10:53PM (#17650188)
Alien invasion. Gray goo. The Book of Revelations.
Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by jcranmer on Monday July 30, 2018 @10:57PM (#17650208)
> The Book of Revelations.

If God were going to destroy all of humanity in a Final Judgement, why we wouldn't He include the pocket of humans on Mars as well?

Re:Inventory of CO2 available for terraforming Mars by topmonk on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @12:50AM (#17650614)
The Bible makes no mention of humans living on other planets. Mars is also named after a Greek god. It would be a good bet you'd be out of His jurisdiction.