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Re:The mysterious heart of the Roland TR-808 drum machine by Rjevski on Saturday July 28, 2018 @08:02PM (#17635730)
I am surprised that Roland would use such an unconventional method for generating noise.

Sourcing and testing those bad transistors had to be more expensive than just buying good parts, and surely they must’ve known that their supply of bad parts wouldn’t last forever?

Re:The mysterious heart of the Roland TR-808 drum machine by rectang on Saturday July 28, 2018 @08:19PM (#17635785)
I worked in a recording studio for a few years, and my impression is that for pop production, a lot of sound experiments are not reproducible. There are certainly fundamentals (e.g. understanding microphone design and placement techniques) but the random factors loom large.

Success depends less on applying principles in a straightforward way and more on being able to recognize when something is compelling and doggedly experimenting until something clicks. The story of the TR-808's design feels familiar.

Re:The mysterious heart of the Roland TR-808 drum machine by puzzle on Sunday July 29, 2018 @12:03AM (#17636452)
You're right. The guitar sound in Dire Straits' Money for nothing is an experiment that couldn't be reproduced in another studio in NYC, even when placing microphones and speakers in the same random locations:

https://www.soundonsound.com/people/classic-tracks-dire-stra...

And Phil Collins' gated reverb drums, one of THE sounds of the 80's, were discovered through another random placement of microphones, although (un)luckily this time it was easy to reproduce:

https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/8/18/16162440/recording-stud...

Re:The mysterious heart of the Roland TR-808 drum machine by tabtab on Monday July 30, 2018 @01:20PM (#17646158)
Re: a lot of sound experiments are not reproducible.

A lot of early Moog synthesizer users complained about the inconsistency. They'd get a "great" sound in the studio, but on stage it sounded different. It was one of the reasons for slow adoption by general pop groups. While many musicians thought they were "cool sounding", their inconsistency kept them out of mainstream.

Kraftwerk often made their own circuits so they could control and tune them as they saw fit. It's one of the reasons why they were (arguably) first with the "80's sound" in the 70's.

Re:The mysterious heart of the Roland TR-808 drum machine by scns on Sunday July 29, 2018 @01:30PM (#17639256)
I concur. Made some music with a buddy and his ARP 2600, tweaking the knobs. Suddenly we both started dancing, ecstatically. Then the pitch started to drift downwards, detroying the vibe for me. He worked the machine and told me it is the same as before, but it did not feel as great as before at all.
Re:The mysterious heart of the Roland TR-808 drum machine by lotyrin on Saturday July 28, 2018 @08:12PM (#17635760)
They didn't expect this thing would become so massively popular and probably figured they had more than enough supply of this part to produce every unit they'd ever need to make.
Re:The mysterious heart of the Roland TR-808 drum machine by kev009 on Saturday July 28, 2018 @11:16PM (#17636328)
It doesn't sound like it was intentional, I can imagine a rep or distributor giving the guy a bag of them without any proposed purpose, and the founder or an assistant found they were well suited for this task in an experiment.