Re:The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan
by maym86 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @02:44AM
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You won't get close to GPS accuracy with these. The uncertainty from cell tower triangulation is huge (relatively). But yes, some kind of beacon that works like GPS on a local scale or detection of known mapped landmarks could be used for corrections but there are issues with these too. These could assist GPS location rather than replace it entirely.
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Re:The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan
by c22 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @12:22PM
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> These could assist GPS location rather than replace it entirely.
Of course, that was the proposal. There's more datapoints if you're willing to get creative, wifi networks (already used for this), cooperative comparison with other mobile devices in a local meshnet, acoustic cues from the environment, machine analysis of captured images, etc. Obviously dead reckoning without gps is going to require a multi-pronged approach.
Re:The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan
by maym86 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @12:29PM
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> cooperative comparison with other mobile devices in a local meshnet
Please explain how this will work?
Re:The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan
by natosaichek on Thursday July 26, 2018 @01:15PM
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I could imagine a secure location service that allows your phone to compare its current expected position with other nearby phones' expectations of their positions. If it's over bluetooth or wifi, the positions should be within meters of each other. This could provide an input to a kalmann filter type position estimator to help reduce drift as you (for example) walk down the street.
Re:The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan
by maym86 on Sunday July 29, 2018 @05:49PM
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This doesn't make a lot of sense tbh.
Re:The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan
by natosaichek on Monday July 30, 2018 @06:35PM
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What do you mean?
You don't think such a system is practical, or you don't think such a system is technologically feasible?
Or you just don't understand the system I'm describing?
Re:The World Economy Runs on GPS. It Needs a Backup Plan
by maym86 on Monday July 30, 2018 @09:07PM
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I think there are both feasibility and practicality issues with the cooperative estimation scheme you are describing. Without already knowing where the phones are very accuratly there will be a lot of noise. Would need a lot more detail to really understand what you intend but first reaction is that it'd be very difficult to do well.
If you really care you could sketch out what exactly it is and how it'd work for yourself for a couple of devices (or more) and see what issues you uncover.