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Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by ada1981 on Wednesday July 25, 2018 @04:21PM (#17612440)
Certainly we ought to solve global hunger and access to water before spending trillions of dollars to go find water on mars.
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by djtriptych on Thursday July 26, 2018 @04:53AM (#17616030)
Hunger and access to water are political problems not scientific ones.
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by bushidone on Thursday July 26, 2018 @05:49AM (#17616226)
I think the simple answer is 'hedging'.

Cancer, hunger and the like are unlikely to kill the entire human race in one go. A climate event or asteroid could, which would render all other efforts redundant. Mars exploration means hedging the survival of our species.

A diverse portfolio is where the smart money is.

Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by ada1981 on Friday July 27, 2018 @09:13AM (#17625692)
This is a nobel reason, however I imagine the real answer is closer to sex appeal and money.

Also, who should determine how the resources of humanity are deployed?

People who arbitrarily have gained control of the resources?

For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water.

It also seems a well fed and hydrated global population would be much happier, healthier, creative and productive.

Another question for folks who make the hedging argument — at what point do we say “ok, we have X% of the population living off world, so now we are going to divert funds to make sure people have access to basic human needs on earth.”

Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by bushidone on Monday August 06, 2018 @05:34AM (#17696228)
My point is that we might not solve those problems even if all resources are directed there. It makes sense to hedge because our survival is too important to risk with 'all our eggs in one basket'.

You bring up fair questions, but questions that are likely to always be there and never answered. At the end of the day, if we become extinct, all these questions are superfluous anyway.

Space exploration is, quite literally, a moon shot. But it's one that could give us the space (pun intended) to keep trying to solving the rest of the issues.

Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by lambdadmitry on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @03:48AM (#17651310)
> For a tiny fraction of what is spent on space, we could solve world hunger and water.

No we realistically can't. How exactly do you propose doing that? Keep in mind that there is a ton of precedents where local governments withheld foreign aid (which was supposed to "solve hunger" at least at that part of the world) to enrich themselves and/or to control their citizens. How do you solve that with any amount of money? Bomb the "bad governments" into submission? Just keep the money in some account waiting for those governments to become more civilized? Might as well colonize Mars in the meantime

Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by ada1981 on Saturday August 04, 2018 @08:27PM (#17689078)
I think Scott Harrison has done well with Charity Water -- I believe he has singlehandedly solved 1-2% of the global water problem in the last decade.

Surely, if a NYC nightclub promoter can stop doing blow and start drilling wells, we can scale what he is doing.

Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by lambdadmitry on Monday August 06, 2018 @07:20AM (#17696690)
No, not really. Two reasons:

- water access is a source for income in quite a few places (e.g. [1]). Drilling a few wells in remote villages might fly under the radar, but "solving clean water" means cutting people very much capable of violence from their income. That can't be solved by NYC nightclub promoter, unless they are willing to wage urban warfare.

- it's not enough to drill the wells as they will dry out eventually if there are no regulations and water distribution infrastructure. It's just not sustainable. And to solve the water problem sustainably requires a lot of infrastructure, water treatment, pipes, pumps, maybe some desalination plants. Even US itself is too gridlocked to solve its own problem of water supply, allocation, and aging infrastructure (e.g. Flint or CA's almond orchards), despite having all the money in the world. Why do you assume it's somehow enough to throw a few trillions at a few dozen countries with wildly different political and cultural climates?

[1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/thirsty-v...

Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by weberc2 on Thursday July 26, 2018 @10:12AM (#17617662)
But both are competing for limited capital.
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday July 26, 2018 @08:43AM (#17616963)
And if we colonise Mars without having solved these political problems, what do you think will happen?
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by ada1981 on Friday July 27, 2018 @09:15AM (#17625697)
Poltical unrest, lost human potential, death, suffering at a massive scale.

Is a humanity that doesn’t bother taking care of its own people worth saving?

Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by ada1981 on Friday July 27, 2018 @09:06AM (#17625662)
Politics is a science of course.
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by lurquer on Friday July 27, 2018 @10:42AM (#17626294)
Those are pretty much solved... if you're hungry, eat the incredibly cheap and plentiful food available due to Western technology. If you're thirsty, drink water. Don't have access to water? Move. Or, dig a well.
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by ada1981 on Sunday July 29, 2018 @11:41PM (#17641885)
If you'd like, I can get you an introduction to some folks at the United Nations so you can present your plan.
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by yellow_postit on Thursday July 26, 2018 @09:37AM (#17617353)
I don’t see why this is an either or proposition.
Re:Liquid water 'lake' revealed on Mars by ada1981 on Friday July 27, 2018 @09:16AM (#17625705)
We have limited resources and free attention.

Do you feed your kids or do you goto a night club?