Thanks! I pass them by people who were there at the time as much as I can because sometimes it seems too insane to be real. Did we really think that? Andy Hertzfeld wasn't at NeXT, but he helped me tell the story better.

Dunno if you saw this one from Wayne Goodrich, who was there and continued to Apple:

https://www.cake.co/conversations/jNZlq6j/the-man-who-produc...