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Re:That sinking feeling by pjc50 on Wednesday July 25, 2018 @09:51AM (#17609195)
I think for a lot of participants there does have to be a "loser" - it's been turned into a "culture war". That's where things like refusing to accept ECJ jurisdiction seem to be coming from. That's why there's such a nasty edge to the whole thing, and such a refusal to engage in compromises that might move the thing forwards.
Re:That sinking feeling by lmm on Wednesday July 25, 2018 @10:20AM (#17609422)
I don't think it's a case of "having to be a loser". Rather the nasty edge is coming from a loss of confidence that the (upper-middle-class, college-educated) political class will represent the people - and not without reason, given how our political and social elites (still!) dismiss any concern about immigration as nothing but stupid racists, as seen in this very article.
Re:That sinking feeling by pjc50 on Wednesday July 25, 2018 @11:09AM (#17609847)
So what are the non-racist fact-based concerns about EU freedom of movement migration? Why is leave voting highly correlated with not actually having high levels of EU migrants in the area?

To forestall the public services argument, to a large extent the public services are made out of immigrants, especially in health and social care.