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Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by ethbro on Monday July 23, 2018 @01:27PM (#17594248)
The Vox article is also making a nuanced point -- that memory is constructed subconsciously.

So the insidious thing? Creating 100 videos with only slight political position adjustments, and thereby (even if the videos are later revealed as fakes!) shifting a voter's "gut" impression of a candidate.

I'd be amazed if we don't start seeing audio & video cryptographic authentication in the next 10 years. The subject of an interview gives me a box containing their private key, and video is looped through it and signed as we record.

Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by YaxelPerez on Monday July 23, 2018 @03:48PM (#17595397)
I don't think cryptographic authentication will help very much.

It's probably safe to assume that most people susceptible to fake news are computer-illiterate. Or at least, not as technical as the HN crowd. Why would normal people suddenly start listening to some nerd mumbo-jumbo they don't understand?

Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by ethbro on Monday July 23, 2018 @06:31PM (#17596560)
Technical knowledge doesn't seem requisite. Only independent verifiability.

In the same way that signing keys are used by infrastructure & many who don't understand the nuances.

Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by pnloyd on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @01:14AM (#17598268)
Ya you could get an end result where your video player included in the videos infos "officially verified by persons x y & z"
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by arbie on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @08:40AM (#17600434)
What if X, Y, and Z are within your own filter bubble and want you to believe the fake news?
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by fossuser on Monday July 23, 2018 @03:08PM (#17595053)
I've been thinking about this and I think a tricky part is editing, since naturally people are going to want to edit the video for normal reasons but I think that will mess with the signature?

I guess you could always have the unedited version posted and verified, but that has its own difficulties too.

Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by SubiculumCode on Monday July 23, 2018 @03:35PM (#17595295)
This is why a sort of chain of evidence would be required.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by pnloyd on Tuesday July 24, 2018 @01:15AM (#17598276)
This has me thinking the cryptography of the future is going to get wildly complex.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by billylindeman on Monday July 23, 2018 @01:43PM (#17594364)
I think audio/video authentication is gonna be huge also. One thought would be merkle proof of hashes of the keyframes and then a signature of the merkle root. drop that bad boy into an eos / eth contract.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by ethbro on Monday July 23, 2018 @06:37PM (#17596598)
The trickier thing (as with most applied crypto) is going to be who attests and what to.

For press briefing, chaining to something like a White House press root is feasible.

But what about "married congressperson caught in local hotel with fling"? Or in one-party consent states, secret recordings? Self-sign? Sign with news organization (those that still exist) after sharing additional documentation?

Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by SubiculumCode on Monday July 23, 2018 @03:36PM (#17595304)
I think it may be the true use case for crypto.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by ChainOfFools on Monday July 23, 2018 @04:34PM (#17595741)
Sybil problem still remains. blockchain history can be rewritten relatively cheaply if defense is controlled by an army of nodes under obfuscated control of a single entity or clique. even worse when blind faith is put into authenticity of such information.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by Cyphase on Monday July 23, 2018 @04:01PM (#17595491)
Crypto(graphy) already has plenty of use cases. I think you're probably referring to cryptocurrencies/blockchains.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by SubiculumCode on Monday July 23, 2018 @05:59PM (#17596370)
Yes I was using that as shorthand, thanks for clarification.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by makomk on Monday July 23, 2018 @02:07PM (#17594537)
This is probably already happening with good old fashioned Photoshop (or not even that sometimes). For instance, when a Telegraph journalist mistook a photoshopped photo of Trump with a white supremacist for the real deal and tweeted it with the comment that "this isn't complicated"[1], I doubt many people who saw the original tweet even saw the correction[2]. Over 28,000 retweets for the original claim, under a thousand for the correction. This is about typical.

[1] http://archive.is/paG5C [2] https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/896654656348323841

Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by _red on Monday July 23, 2018 @03:04PM (#17595019)
As if "Photo OPs" haven't been essentially exploiting this principle for 100+ yrs.

This is nothing more than legacy media bemoaning that media production (and propaganda production) has now moved mainstream and is out of their control.

In the end its a good thing, having a "trusted news sources" is not a normative expectation to any critical thinking based society. Everything should be viewed critically and viewed somewhat suspiciously. The entire concept of "trusted news" only has real appeal to the intellectually lazy. There is no objective truth in matters of politics, economics, society. Having some class of companies designated as "Trusted" has 1000x scarier potential than "view everything as a potential political statement".

Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by rabidrat on Monday July 23, 2018 @02:17PM (#17594623)
"A lie travels around the globe while the truth is putting on its shoes."
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by gowld on Monday July 23, 2018 @04:49PM (#17595849)
One feature missing is a way to mark every account that tweeted the original but not the correction as an unreliable possible-troll.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by extralego on Monday July 23, 2018 @05:11PM (#17596043)
This is not a prediction but I wonder if their proliferation could stretch the subconscious Overton Window. I think that’s where the Overton Window seems to operate.
Re:We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake ... by SubiculumCode on Monday July 23, 2018 @03:34PM (#17595285)
This is exactly what is needed, and placed in phones at the chip level, ie photo authenticity certified by Samsung.