Re:A used voting machine from the 2016 election
by monocasa on Friday July 20, 2018 @05:42PM
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That's my understanding too, that despite being heavily data driven, the Clinton campaign (and most of the polling agencies as well since they were using the same techniques) didn't have anywhere near a correct model for a "likely voter". That biased the results of their total model heavily towards Clinton.
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Re:A used voting machine from the 2016 election
by pmyteh on Friday July 20, 2018 @06:26PM
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It's very hard to come up with reliable likely voter models, not least because there are significant changes in people who vote every time. The opinion polls in the 2017 British general election were out, for example, because in the event unusual numbers of unlikely voters came out to vote Labour. Things were obviously going to be different that time (Labour had elected a deeply unlikey leader and repositioned itself) but no-one had any solid evidence how turnout patterns would change, or to what degree.
So yes, inaccurate likely voter modeling is a serious problem. But it's really hard if things are changing, politically.
Re:A used voting machine from the 2016 election
by monocasa on Friday July 20, 2018 @07:41PM
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Oh absolutely, it's a nearly impossible task. You can't even trust current polls asking people if they're likely to vote.
Re:A used voting machine from the 2016 election
by luke0016 on Friday July 20, 2018 @06:40PM
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If we had paper trails, this claim could be even more confidently asserted.
Re:A used voting machine from the 2016 election
by monocasa on Friday July 20, 2018 @07:11PM
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Well, hopefully paper trails don't have any identifiable information connected to the votes or else you end up with vote buying and coercion attacks.
Re:A used voting machine from the 2016 election
by luke0016 on Friday July 20, 2018 @10:09PM
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Of course not. I go in, I vote, the vote is recorded electronically, and a piece of paper that only indicates who was voted for is spit out. No personally identifiable information.
It's not like this is hard. We were doing paper secret ballots for literally centuries before electronic voting machines came along.