Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List'
by dragonwriter on Thursday July 19, 2018 @05:52PM
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> By ignoring the fact that one of the parties involved here has no identity as such
Both the US and each of the groups it had targeted under the 9/11 AUMF has an identity.
Some of the targets are parts of diffuse groups with little central command structure, which makes it very hard to end a war against them (and harder still to draw and end to an open ended war where targets are added by loose association), which is a problem of the crafting of the AUMF, it's continuation in effect, and the Congressional oversight of the war effort.
In an international law sense, there's a host of valid questions about the adequacy and appropriateness of the rules governing conflicts involving non-state actors (such as Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.)
> Now, it absolutely sucks that the other party doesn't play by the rules but that is no reason to stop playing by those rules ourselves.
I don't disagree, but drone strikes per se aren't a violation of the rules.
> I'll probably have a hard time convincing you that on the evening of 9/11/2001 America had the keys to a new world order in its hands
Well, yeah, that's a claim that would take some support.
> and squandered the opportunity by seeking petty revenge and economic advantage.
While I doubt the existence of the opportunity you suggest was squandered, I do think the US government did a grave disservice to both itself and the world community with it's conduct in the years immediately following 9/11, most especially, but not exclusively, in the naked war of aggression it leveraged domestic outrage at 9/11 to justify in Iraq.
And I think there are deep problems with the broader “War on Terror”, I just seem to disagree with you on the degree to which those problems are due to violations of clear proscriptions in international law or failure to observe ceremonial requirements.
Both the US and each of the groups it had targeted under the 9/11 AUMF has an identity.
Some of the targets are parts of diffuse groups with little central command structure, which makes it very hard to end a war against them (and harder still to draw and end to an open ended war where targets are added by loose association), which is a problem of the crafting of the AUMF, it's continuation in effect, and the Congressional oversight of the war effort.
In an international law sense, there's a host of valid questions about the adequacy and appropriateness of the rules governing conflicts involving non-state actors (such as Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.)
> Now, it absolutely sucks that the other party doesn't play by the rules but that is no reason to stop playing by those rules ourselves.
I don't disagree, but drone strikes per se aren't a violation of the rules.
> I'll probably have a hard time convincing you that on the evening of 9/11/2001 America had the keys to a new world order in its hands
Well, yeah, that's a claim that would take some support.
> and squandered the opportunity by seeking petty revenge and economic advantage.
While I doubt the existence of the opportunity you suggest was squandered, I do think the US government did a grave disservice to both itself and the world community with it's conduct in the years immediately following 9/11, most especially, but not exclusively, in the naked war of aggression it leveraged domestic outrage at 9/11 to justify in Iraq.
And I think there are deep problems with the broader “War on Terror”, I just seem to disagree with you on the degree to which those problems are due to violations of clear proscriptions in international law or failure to observe ceremonial requirements.