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Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by timr on Thursday July 19, 2018 @02:27PM (#17569073)
Absolutely. The secret of NYC density is transit. Nerds invariably think that you can force people to act against their own interests; they call this "NIMBYism", but it's just rational economic behavior.

You don't make a neighborhood dense by changing zoning. You make a neighborhood dense by building decent transit, and letting economics occur. The zoning changes will take care of themselves.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by electricslpnsld on Thursday July 19, 2018 @02:38PM (#17569162)
> You make a neighborhood dense by building decent transit

Ehh, people will fight tooth and nail to oppose development literally on top of public transit access. Look at the fierce opposition to MacArhtur Commons (which is getting built, thankfully!) at the MacArthur BART stop and at the opposition to any and all dense infill near the West Oakland BART stop. These are one and four stops from San Francisco, respectively...

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by timr on Friday July 20, 2018 @11:22AM (#17575710)
OK, so you've pointed out projects that are being completed. What was your point?

There's always opposition, to everything. That's called "politics". But the long term trend is clear: when you build transit, density follows.

In any case, building transit (something that benefits existing residents) is a more successful long term approach than telling local voters that they're idiots for behaving rationally.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by twblalock on Thursday July 19, 2018 @02:45PM (#17569225)
People in the Bay Area fight against decent transit because they know it will lead to the increased density they oppose.