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Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by SCAQTony on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:50PM (#17568131)
My definition of a cell block apartment is any outside wall[s] and/or a ceiling/floor which are the only barriers that separate you from your neighbor. I think having a garden or a porch, even a side yard is important to middle class.

I am getting severely voted down for having this opinion, but I think my definition and the history of density in urban areas is on my side. When you put a bunch of young males in a crowded urban center, crime, violence, drug addiction happens.

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Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by rsynnott on Thursday July 19, 2018 @01:22PM (#17568512)
In most of Europe, the majority of the middle-class lives in housing where at least one wall is shared with a neighbour (whether it be apartments, semi-detached or terraced houses). For that matter, most middle-class New Yorkers live in apartments or other high density housing, and seem to survive.
Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by mjevans on Thursday July 19, 2018 @03:47PM (#17569652)
Just replying about 'balconies' - I //hate// them as sources of noisy neighbors and neighbors that smoke and thus ruin the air around where I live.

I also dislike how MDU exhausts, particularly the laundry exhausts, are not sent out a scrubbed (E.G. water filtration) negative draw system to remove the fine particulates. I have never in my life even seen an MDU with such a setup, let alone filtered air ingress delivered to each unit.