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Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by conanbatt on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:16PM (#17567741)
> more than plenty.

By whose measure? If it is more than plenty then you dont need to put any rules limiting it, it already satisfies the demand.

> 100% apartments would destroy SF. People fighting to get to live in SF because of its character. Destroying that you won't have San Francisco.

San francisco has been destroyed many times over. Its not the gold-digging town it used to be in the quaint 1800's, or the low-cost, cheap city it was in the 1930s, etc etc. If san francisco doubles its population it will be another city: it is inevitable and it is good. This is not SF's first iteration and wont be its last.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by reaperducer on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:48PM (#17568116)
it is inevitable

A thousand towns and cities in Europe would disagree.

and it is good

Your opinion. Fortunately, not the opinion of the majority of voters in San Francisco.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by rsynnott on Thursday July 19, 2018 @01:23PM (#17568523)
> A thousand towns and cities in Europe would disagree.

Which cities of any significance in Europe have avoided high-density development? There'll often be protected areas of historical interest, but it's not normal to freeze the city as a whole in time.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by conanbatt on Thursday July 19, 2018 @01:39PM (#17568677)
> Your opinion. Fortunately, not the opinion of the majority of voters in San Francisco.

A mere electoral trick. If every person that works in SF voted you would get the opposite result.

Also, all the people you mention will die and will be replaced by others.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by reaperducer on Thursday July 19, 2018 @03:08PM (#17569376)
all the people you mention will die and will be replaced by others.

As will you. And people who don't respect or understand what you love will destroy it and replace it.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by greedo on Thursday July 19, 2018 @03:31PM (#17569538)
A mere electoral trick. Do you think people living in the US on guest/student/h1B visas should be able to vote in US elections? The loops people seem to go through whenever landowners and their representatives do something that the have-nots don't like is amazing.
Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by conanbatt on Thursday July 19, 2018 @04:46PM (#17570113)
I believe many things, but people working and living in SF are paying taxes in SF and are not able to vote on local issues that affect either their taxation, their permanence and their quality of life in the very place.

Countries have declared independence protesting taxation without representation.

Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by greedo on Thursday July 19, 2018 @07:46PM (#17571349)
If they're living in SF, they can vote in local elections. If they don't live in SF, they shouldn't be able to; unless you're advocating for overturning centuries of how voting is conducted.
Re:San Francisco's zoning makes it illegal to build apartmen... by conanbatt on Thursday July 19, 2018 @08:11PM (#17571460)
Foreigners and people living in the east bay and commuting to SF pay SF taxes but dont vote. What kind of person works in SF and lives outside SF? The kind that would vote against anything restricting housing supply.

But this is now a red-herring. Arguing that its justifiable because the voting has resulted into this can only be contested with a vote, not with any other argument like "destroy the city" or "good for whatever X". Is a pure political power argument.